Re: 2x10 versus 2x12
- From: "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:42:07 -0400
L.A. Fryiot wrote:
bluesman56 wrote:
"Squier" <squier@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in messageThat's IT. :-) mvm
news:010920082252111596%squier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Could the 2x10s be out of phase with your amp? I had this happenRichL <rpleavitt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:well the 2x10 is loaded with Celestion G10 Greenbacks which are 97
Squier <squier@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Do you know how the speaker efficiencies compare?
db @ 1 watt
and the 2x12 is loaded with Eminence Texas Heat which are 99-100 db
@ 1 watt.
Here's the thing though - the Texas Heats seem to sound great at any
volume.
They (of course) add in their own color to the sound but it pretty
much stays consistent. Eminence states that they need at least 5
watts to get to specs and after that they take up to 150 watts. The Mark
III can play soft or loud with these and once I set the
tone I can just up the Master and it stays very consistent. I don't
have to deal with speaker break up as another variable to deal with
as the volume/power increases. However - it seems the G10 Greenbacks
have a sweet spot in volume
and anything less and they sound like shrill crap with a slightly
grinding bottom end. Play them too loud and it's all breakup -
but they get a little
too loud for some places and some songs really don't do well with
the greenback breakup (although if you step back the sound really
swirls around
and sounds good about 20 feet away or more). But there is no 'in
between' when I back off the volume all that nice grind and breakup
comes to a halt and what's left is a somewhat shrill wimpy washed
out sound. (at least in the mix it can suddenly sit way too far
down and it's like I'm playing but there's no apparent sound coming
out well ok - you know what I mean). So the thing is that unless I can
stay at that sweet spot all the
time then the Greenbacks just don't cut it. Maybe good for
original artists or for playing rock that wants those tones and at
that volume/sweet spot but for covers and then backing down for the
slow dance tunes and for some funk and R&B then they leave he sweet
spot and it's a washout. The nice part is that because they are not all
that efficient you
also get to crank up the amp's power section a bit more which is
cool. But ah well - they just offer a very narrow sweet spot and the
tones
are constantly changing throughout the set list as the volume
changes through the song set(s). When we practice in the basement
we actually tend to play a bit louder than we actually do playing
out and so I never realized completely how important (or how
narrow) that sweet spot is with these speakers.
The Texas Heats let me keep the same tone(s) throughout the volume
range of what we play. And even when I back off the guitar volume
to sit back I still get that consistent slight grit but sweet
sounds from that 2x12. It's not that the 2x10 is a bad cab - it's just
that the sweet spot
is way too narrow for it to sound good in a wide mix of songs or
range of venues where the sweet spot might be too loud or not
enough. (when I REALLY crank it and unleash the wattage into it
then the G10 Greenies
start to really breakup and just fall apart - some might like it
but the breakup at that point is way too severe sounding for my
ears and my bandmates)
with my 2x10. When kicked on, the volume actually dropped. After
checking and correcting...The difference was night and day.
Tom
Umm... Squier, IIRC, has a Mark III head .. nothing for the speakers to be
out of phase with. So, that's not "IT".
Don
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