Re: Sabbath's Paranoid: What effect is that on the solo?


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On Jun 27, 7:04 pm, Rufus <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jun 26, 5:57 pm, Daniel Dreibelbis
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"Tom C." <nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorta sounds like a suboctave to me. Anyone know for sure or
been able to
get this sound live? Thanks!
actually, I think it's some sort of ring modulator - I
noticed if you
pan the solo, Iommi's original tone is in the right channel,
the
effected is in the left.
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I was gonna hazard that as a guess, but I didn't know if ring
modulators were around back then. It sure does sound like one,
though.
If I was to try to cop that effect, that's what I'd use.
Mike
Ring modulators have been around since the late 60s when used in
modular synth rigs (Keith Emerson, Walter Carlos, etc). There's
no
reason someone clever wouldn't have thought of using one for
guitar...especially after a fuzz pedal. Ring mods work better
with a
square-ish waveform. But....on the Paranoid track, I think its
just an
octave after a fuzz. The reg signal is panned one way, the
octave
signal is panned the other.
Yeah - and I don't think it's a sub-octave, jsut based on
comapring the
sound to the sub-octave that I have...but using the neck P/U vice
the
bridge also adds something to the heaviness of it, I think.
Octavio, heavy fuzz, neck pickup...MAYBE a ring mod...but heavy
fuzz. I
sort of wonder if enough fuzz on the Octavio would cause it to
ring?..
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Certain old fuzzes sounded like ring mods....they were just
*horrible*. Listen to early Grand Funk Railroad....the first 2 or
3
albums. If he used more than 1 note at a time the thing would
really
freak out and emit this horrid noise. Sounds like Tony was
splitting
the guitar signal and sending the reg overdriven signal to one
track
and the effected signal to another. It may have even been done on
the
fly during mixing...I've read interviews that said they worked
with
less than ideal recording equipment early on.
Yeah, there were horrid sounding fuzzes back then. I had a few from
that era that sucked big time.
Mike
...they sucked all the way to the bank, it seems...

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- Rufus
Oh, I didn't say that I didn't like those cruddy old fuzzboxes- I've
still got a couple kicking around here- they sound nasty as hell-
good
for really raunchy psychedelic, farting tone- One of them sounds just
like the tone Janis Joplin's guitar player used to get- real crud
tone. You can't really do much with them other than make a pile of
really ugly noise- which is neat sometimes, actually.

Mike
Agreed. One of the things I don't have in my arsenal is a fuzz or
distortion pedal...I get most of what I like right out of my amp, but
I should have one, still. I have a Fulltone OCD but that a different
animal from a real fuzz.
...the best fuzz i've heard was on 'careful with that axe, eugene'. a
friend had a good one around 1980 with sliders on it. that was the
closest i've heard since to that psychedilc fuzz (not distortion)
sound. i think it may have been the same as the one on the right,
pictured here...
http://johannburkard.de/blog/music/effects/legendary-guitar-effects-univox-super-fuzz.html


I think when it finally comes down to it, I'd rather have s fuzz than a
distortion...

i think so, too. i'm happy enough with tube overdrive as far as
distortion goes with humbuckers and a tele. find though, a strat needs
the ds-2. i'd like to find one of those old ibanez's around.

I friend of mine recently picked up an Ibanez Tube Screamer re-issue, if
that's what you're talking about.

no, one of these. it was a long time ago it sounded a LOT better than i
remember the sound clip here, representing it as ...
http://www.tonefrenzy.com/effects/ibanez_standard_fuzz.html

i don't know if there's better out there now, probably is, but at the time i
remember it sounded great and with such presence.

Not too impressed with it...mainly because I like the sound of a plain
old driving amp tube like you do, I'd wager.

I have a Fulltone OCD and I really like it - it's not a fuzz,
though...it's a driver. I can also use it as just a boost because it's
pretty transparent if the drive isn't cranked up. Thinking about an
Octafuzz clone of some sort...gotta try 'em out sometime.

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- Rufus


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