Re: Trading guitars or other stuff

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On Jan 23, 6:42 am, jtees4 <jte...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





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I have had some offers for some trades. Guitars, amps, parts etc. I am
curious...I see people propose trades all the time on certain web
sites. If you do a trade...let's just say a guitar for a guitar...how
do the two people swap in a way that it is safe for both
parties..especially when the parties are shipping across country.
There must be a safe way as I see people do it fairly often...I don't
want to get burned if I decide to go this route.

Well, the way it works round here is usually we just call each other and
email as well, and we get each other's information. It's pretty easy to
check whether the other guy has a proper address and work and whatnot, and
if he/she does, she probably isn't scamming. Easy to send the law after
someone if you know the workplace and all. I don't bother to check those
myself, but if I sell stuff, I send them links to my workplace so they can
see I'm a government employee in no position to start a scam or I'd lose
my job.

I've done dozens and dozens of deals paying up front - why just the past
month I've bought an ADA8000 sight unseen, paid up front and also paid
like 20:- over the general price for them - I haven't seen yet even
(bought it 4 days ago, it should arrive this week if he gets around to
mailing it), and a POD XT and some lightpipes, as well as sold a few
pedals, a mic, swapped one pedal, etc...I get most of my stuff that way,
hardly ever buy from stores, and I always pay up front. I do think twice
about it if the seller is just a nick like 'creep_...@xxxxxxx' but still.

I trust people quite a lot, so in like 90% of the cases I just deposit the
money agreed on the seller's bank account after which they send the goods.
I do that also when buying from local online stores - rather than
creditcard I call 'em and tell I've deposited the payment and they send
the goods.

Just yesterday I sold a pedal for 120;- and sent it to the guy, but in
this case he wanted to use COD and pay the expenses. But it turned out the
shipping costs were over 12 euros, so I decided to charge 126 euros and
paid half of the shipping myself, because I thought it was unexpectedly
expensive and didn't want the buyer to feel bad about it. I believe firmly
in fairness.

I've never had any problems doing it like that. But in general, if the
other guy is a Finn, you know you can trust most people here. I haven't
really bought anything overseas - only from stores or with the help of a
friend living in that locality. Once there was a slight hitch when I sent
a Fender DeVille amp to someone and he promised the pay the next week - he
did, but I had forgotten to include the photocopied manual, and he paid me
a hundred less than we had agreed. I got around to sending the manual a
few weeks later, but I never got the hundred.

But that's the only time ever I've had any problems buying stuff from ebay
etc. Gotta have that much trust in people. If you get ripped, hey, it's
just money. Not your health or anything. If they get kicks doing that kind
of stuff, well, you can take pleasure in being a better person than they
are. Personally, such liars are so low creatures it ain't even worth
thinking about it twice.

Cheers,

Dee

90% is a good ratio. I've been burned once on evilbay - a lamp shade from
the UK. Should have read her form first regaring internaitonal  purchases,
as much my own silly fault. Wanted more money to send it, around 15 quid -
for a 5 pound lamp shade. Never received it, got some nasty feedback from
her regarding my comments to her as well.

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I didn't realize that it was through an intermediary like eBay- I got
the impression he was talking about a straight up exchange between two
parties in different states- mvm

Yes, I was talking about a straight up exchange between two people. I
do a lot of business on EBay and have had good success there, no real
problems. I follow some on line forums and see that people there
regularly sell and trade stuff. I was wondering how they go about it,
It is not my nature to be that trusting of strangers...I grew up in
the NYC area in the 60's and 70's and you had to be that way to
survive back then. It is not as bad today...the 70's were a dangerous
time around NYC.
I have a much sought after guitar part, but I want to trade it for
another part + cash. I'd normally sell it on EBay and then buy the
part I need, BUT neither part is available anymore...at least not
regularly.
Thanks.

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Ditto- Philly, NYC 70's. It shaped a view of the world and people- I'm
less cynical than I come off in these forums, but honestly, I think
executing any sort of business transaction sight-unseen w/out recourse
is sort of asking to get fucked over...there's no shortage of people
whose idea of ethics and morality is based upon 'moral relativism' vs.
straight up right and wrong. The courts are PACKED for a reason and
the entire school of business law exists because unlike animals,
humans lie. Youth is one thing...doing that sort of thing as an
experienced, seasoned adult just strikes me as foolhardy.- Piilota siteerattu teksti -

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Well, I must say, if I was dealing with something universally accepted
as worth something, i.e. something that's easy to peddle forward for
good money, I'd make sure there was no danger of getting scammed.

But I also trust that 1.) musicians in general are rather a good
bunch. Not many a musician would steal the other's pedal or amp in
their face, right? And if you see the buyer's/seller's webpages and
all, and see that he or she is in this and that band and works here or
there, it's a pretty good reference to being able to trust that
person.

2.) if someone were out to make money out of such scams, they'd
probably not be willing to risk their reputation on a small-scale
deal. It'd be different if selling, say, computer systems or
something. Yeah, the key is in getting accurate info on the other
party, and deciding whether you can trust him or not.

I first check if the person has webpages and such, and if a 'famous'
person or in a steady job, I know that such people won't want to ruin
their rep on making stupid small-scale scams.

If I can't get that info or they have none, I check their phone
number; that gives me the real name/address and who owns the
phone...and if it's a pre-paid phone I won't deal. Then I call 'em up
and I think a lot about the person can be found out by talking with
them already - you'll know pretty well if they're up to no good, or at
least vice versa, you can hear when someone is honest, you know, some
country dude who plays guitar or a teen doing his first buy from a
stranger...again, I refuse to believe any scammer would go thru the
trouble of faking addresses (hard) and coming up with fake
personalities and use them to lie over the phone...some might, but for
a, like, 200 dollar deal? Maybe when it would be thousands we're
talking about.

I guess I'm saying while I do _start_ from the assumption that people
are trustworthy and 'good' people, I do check them out in reasonable
extent...and if I do get suspicious, well, I can just use COD for some
extra protection, or go get the thing myself even if it meant a few
hour's drive...or just drop the deal.

Cheers,

Dee
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