Re: best "bad" guitar solo?


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This one pre-dates Nigel Tuffnell by quite a few years.
Canyons Of
Your Mind was released in 1969.

The solo is at 2:50, and before any of you young 'uns
tell
me how
awful it is and how you can play better than that, it's
meant to
be
bad! It's called parody.

Does anyone know of any "bad on purpose" guitar solos
earlier than
this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmnnZPjrIs

And for those who don't know, the guitarist is Neil
Innes,
who
also
appeared in a couple of Monty Python films (he was the
minstrel in
Holy Grail), and was a founder member of The Rutles.

i think Kurt Cobain did some great 'bad on purpose'
solos.
not sure
if
Kurt ever knew what a pentatonic scale was though. didn't
matter.

I don't think Kurt Cobain was bad on purpose. He just
didn't
know he
was
as lousy as he was.

I think any solo he attemnpted besides the one off SLTS was
tongue in
cheek, he wasn't a lead guitar player, he knew it, in the
end
Pat
Smear
came in, earlier on it was some other guy called Jason.

Had to be the smack. I'm told it all sounds good when
you're
on
smack.

well it never stopped them playing live right throughout
Nirvana's
career
right up to the end. laziness as a lead player on Kurt's
part
definitely,
but smack never stopped his songwriting.

Yeah; that was kind of a shame... good thing at least that
his
suicide
finally stopped it. Maybe he DID know how bad he sucked after
all, and
did
what he had to.

Atoz- Hide quoted text -

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You a really upbeat guy, aren't you? He wrote some great stuff
that
resonated with a lot of people. What have you done that you
can
say
that about?

Mike


And another guy who thinks I have to somehow *purchase* my right
to
not
like
Nirvana by selling records of my own. Gee, thanks for
straightening
me
out;
I didn't know that was how it worked. Who else MUST I like,
unless
I sell
music myself?

Sheesh. Look: the thread was about who we thought was bad. I
don't
like
his
music. I think it's of extremely poor quality. So shoot me. I am
continually
baffled by how much certain people take out-and-out *offense* at
that.
What
the hell IS it to you, anyway? Liking him yourself isn't enough
for
you,
you
have to inflict him on others as well? Is it like the Jehovahs
Witnesses,
or
something, with mandatory missionary work?

Funny how often it's the Nirvana fans who think that way. Nobody
ever told
me that I was required to like, oh, say, John McLaughlin, for
example.

Atoz

I think you're missing the point. I'm not a big Nirvana fan, and
I
think
they're highly overrated. However, when you write, in connection
with his
suicide, "Maybe he DID know how bad he sucked after all, and did
what he had
to," don't be surprised if people, including those who aren't
fans,
think
it's a bit over the top. When I first read it, my first reaction
was "did
he really say that???"

You can say he sucked, that's fine, it's clear it's your opinion.
Saying
what you did is pretty cold-hearted IMO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his suicide something he
decided
to do? How much sympathy am I supposed to feel for someone who
decided to be dead, and took care of it himself? He wasn't hit by
a
bus, or murdered by someone who thought he looked like he had
money
(heh - that would have been something, wouldn't it?) He decided he
should be shot in the head, and he did what it took to make it
happen. Dumb? I certainly think so; but it wasn't up to me.

I don't expect people to like everything I do, but I do expect
that
they give me the basic respect of understanding that I'm in charge
of
this particular body, nobody else. My decisions, for better or
worse,
are mine to make. I take sole responsibility for them - it's my
bus,
and I'm driving it. To me that is the most basic respect owed to a
fellow adult. And barring some obvious reason not to (like
manifest
insanity, say) I always give that minimum respect.

Concerning the question of WHY he did it, I don't really find it a
particularly interesting one, mostly because, based on his music,
I
don't think he was a person with much useful to say in the first
place. Idly speculating, as I was invited to by someone's
statement
several posts ago, I thought it plausible enough that maybe he
found
it depressing to be so famous and, so to speak, well-received, as
a
musician, with as little talent and things worth saying as he had.
I'd sure as hell find that depressing. Maybe he never planned on
becoming that famous. Maybe he had figured he'd have less people
looking at him all the time. I'm told he 'didn't like the
attention',
as it were. "Couldn't handle the fame", and all that crap. What he
did to resolve his 'problem' was his way, business. He was
entitled.
What do you want me to do, have a good cry over what a horrible
loss
it is? 15 years later? Go on.

Atoz
four paragraphs to justify your response, and in a nutshell it says
you have no respect for anyone who chooses to end their own lige.

Just to clarify though, i don't give a toss about your opinion on
cobain or his muisc one way or another.

Yeah - none of you guys do. You have all said that by now. But let
someone suggest that we're well rid of his music, and you all go to
war
over it anyway.

no, I haven't gone to war with you at all.

I suggest that I don't miss him awful, and it's like the moral
equivalent of murdering him or something. Grow up. You know how many
people have died since the early 90s? When do I get to start
bleeding
over them, finally, instead of Kurt?

Look - I suppose there must be people to whom he had something to
say.
But I never tested all that high on the look-at-me-how-in-pain-I-am,
I-grew-up-in-the-suburbs-so-don't-you-all-owe-me,
I-married-Courtney-Love-so-feel-sorry-for-me thing. Parenthetically,
maybe I said that to impress Pete, too... "Ooh, look at me -- I take
care of my body, learned things in school, and don't wear flannel
and
shoot smack, so I must be better than you!" he'll probably say. He
sure
made his feelings about jazz clear enough, didn't he? But I digress.
The dirtball aesthetic I thought was pretty obnoxious. And at the
end
of the day, the music sucked.

well address that to the correct poster instead of jumping down my
throat for it.

After hearing it, I wanted my time back. If it took him dying to
make
it stop, AND HE AGREED, why should I get all bent about it?

Justify? *** you. You wanted to keep beating it to death, I didn't.
You all jumped all over me for basically not liking your hero's
music,
and for daring to be content that it's over, and I don't really
mind.



Dude, you're the one getting all bent out of shape, and if I hero
worshipped him, as you say why, then would I offer his music as
having
bad solos.

It does me no
harm. But I'm under no obligation to keep quiet just because you
don't
like people who say what they don't like (as long as it's Kurt
Cobain),

No, i said I don't give a toss whetehr you like cobains music or not.
and said quite calmly, physical pain may have had something to doi
with
his suicide adn that he was a lousy lead player probably due more to
laziness, he had other guitarists in that band at certain points.

in a
thread about what guitar playing was particularly bad. It wasn't
even
me that first brought his nasty ass up. But I'll be damned if I'm
going
to consider him off-limits because you're still bleeding over his
suicide after 15 years.

no I just offered up that he may have been in a lot of physical pain
as
well, as I've known people to opt out due to that.

Maybe you should have seen the title, and stayed the hell away. Way
too
sensitive for this topic, I'd say.

finished? I think you need a good lie down and I'll let it die as I'm
not about to do a flame war on the issue with you.

I see you didn't comment on the rest of what I said, though.

What, that you've suffered oh, so much in your life? Aw, poor baby.
There, feel better now? Is that all you wanted from me?

I've seen people get their legs blown off, and it looked pretty darn
painful to me. And you know what? You won't find them trolling the
news
groups trying to drum up a good pity party for themselves.

Now go tell it to your mother. There's nothing more pathetic than the
sight of a grown man trying to get other grown men to feel sorry for
him.
I'd never thought of Kurt's way as particularly manly, but it sure
looks
like he's got you beat.

Atoz
"I've had back pain so bad i would rather be dead than endure it."
Just a statement of fact. Not a drum up for sympathy, stating I can
understand pepole who have had chronic pain opt out.


but thank you for not letting an opportunity go by for a personal
attack,
as I said i don't do flame wars, and your comments on other topics have
seemed rational to me, so on the topic of personal pain and suicide I'm
more than happy to agree to disagree without attacking you personally
in
return. :-).

HTH & HAND, lad.


I did my best to allow you the dignity of having me ignore your pathetic
play for pity. I was embarrassed for you, frankly. But you apparently
didn't
get what you needed that way, so you came back and rubbed it on me some
more. You asked for it not once but twice. No, you're not trying to drum
up
sympathy; you're just so damn self-important that you think everyone has
to
be fully aware of every little thing you go through. Have it your way.

Here's a tip: There's 6 billion of us. You don't stick out all that much,
and I don't feel much need to know all the details of your wonderful and
tragic life. I guess that, in these days of force-fed narcissistic 'feel
everyone's pain' -ism, that's just about the hardest insult someone can
hurl
at, ahem, a man like you.

All I can say after reading all these posts is, what a narrow-minded and
bitter man you must be. I do feel sorry for you though; anyone who claims
that grunge killed rock and roll, as you did in your previous rant, seems
to
have some anger-management and transferance issues. How can a musical
genre
piss you off so much? Hell, I've been playing guitar since 1963 and have
never known feelings like that about somebody's music.


Hmm.

Well, Ok. I suppose it's mildly amusing that someone who read enough of
what I said to have a glandular reaction to it, couldn't be bothered to have
an intellectual one as well. Specifically, didn't you notice that it was the
very fact that I don't care about your brainless emotional responses, that
got all of you so up in arms in the first place? Why do you think your
feelings of sorryness are going anywhere? Not that I mind; it's not like all
those soppy feelings show up in my bedroom in the middle of the night and
softly weep and wail by the night table. I really don't see the harm, except
maybe the waste of time on your part. Hell - be my guest. Feel just as sorry
as you like.

Way I figure it, one of 2 things:

either can't fathom that anyone could truly not give a half a *** about
your pity and the like, so you just assume I'm lying, or

you just can't fathom that anyone could ever be telling the truth about
anything, because you have no internal frame of reference for truth, so you
(drum roll please..) assume I'm lying.

OK. So -- now what? Personally, I would advise that you find better uses for
yourself than being (one of several) self-appointed squishy emotional
overseers of the internet. But, then, maybe you really don't have anything
better to do with yourself. But it's your life you're wasting.

Now that IS a pity. Your business, though.

As I said, earlier, it just staggers the imagination. It's like you all
think I'll break down any moment and beg forgiveness for being so mean to
the ghost of poor Kurt, or something.

Atoz



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