Re: best "bad" guitar solo?


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This one pre-dates Nigel Tuffnell by quite a few years. Canyons
Of
Your Mind was released in 1969.
The solo is at 2:50, and before any of you young 'uns tell me
how
awful it is and how you can play better than that, it's meant to
be
bad! It's called parody.
Does anyone know of any "bad on purpose" guitar solos earlier
than
this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmnnZPjrIs
And for those who don't know, the guitarist is Neil Innes, who
also
appeared in a couple of Monty Python films (he was the minstrel
in
Holy Grail), and was a founder member of The Rutles.
i think Kurt Cobain did some great 'bad on purpose' solos. not
sure
if
Kurt ever knew what a pentatonic scale was though. didn't matter.
I don't think Kurt Cobain was bad on purpose. He just didn't know
he
was
as lousy as he was.
I think any solo he attemnpted besides the one off SLTS was tongue
in
cheek, he wasn't a lead guitar player, he knew it, in the end Pat
Smear
came in, earlier on it was some other guy called Jason.
Had to be the smack. I'm told it all sounds good when you're on
smack.
well it never stopped them playing live right throughout Nirvana's
career
right up to the end. laziness as a lead player on Kurt's part
definitely,
but smack never stopped his songwriting.
Yeah; that was kind of a shame... good thing at least that his
suicide
finally stopped it. Maybe he DID know how bad he sucked after all,
and
did
what he had to.

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You a really upbeat guy, aren't you? He wrote some great stuff that
resonated with a lot of people. What have you done that you can say
that about?

Mike

And another guy who thinks I have to somehow *purchase* my right to
not
like
Nirvana by selling records of my own. Gee, thanks for straightening me
out;
I didn't know that was how it worked. Who else MUST I like, unless I
sell
music myself?

Sheesh. Look: the thread was about who we thought was bad. I don't
like
his
music. I think it's of extremely poor quality. So shoot me. I am
continually
baffled by how much certain people take out-and-out *offense* at that.
What
the hell IS it to you, anyway? Liking him yourself isn't enough for
you,
you
have to inflict him on others as well? Is it like the Jehovahs
Witnesses,
or
something, with mandatory missionary work?

Funny how often it's the Nirvana fans who think that way. Nobody ever
told
me that I was required to like, oh, say, John McLaughlin, for example.

Atoz
I think you're missing the point. I'm not a big Nirvana fan, and I
think
they're highly overrated. However, when you write, in connection with
his
suicide, "Maybe he DID know how bad he sucked after all, and did what
he had
to," don't be surprised if people, including those who aren't fans,
think
it's a bit over the top. When I first read it, my first reaction was
"did
he really say that???"

You can say he sucked, that's fine, it's clear it's your opinion.
Saying
what you did is pretty cold-hearted IMO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his suicide something he decided to
do? How much sympathy am I supposed to feel for someone who decided to
be dead, and took care of it himself? He wasn't hit by a bus, or
murdered by someone who thought he looked like he had money (heh - that
would have been something, wouldn't it?) He decided he should be shot in
the head, and he did what it took to make it happen. Dumb? I certainly
think so; but it wasn't up to me.

I don't expect people to like everything I do, but I do expect that they
give me the basic respect of understanding that I'm in charge of this
particular body, nobody else. My decisions, for better or worse, are
mine to make. I take sole responsibility for them - it's my bus, and
I'm driving it. To me that is the most basic respect owed to a fellow
adult. And barring some obvious reason not to (like manifest insanity,
say) I always give that minimum respect.

Concerning the question of WHY he did it, I don't really find it a
particularly interesting one, mostly because, based on his music, I
don't think he was a person with much useful to say in the first place.
Idly speculating, as I was invited to by someone's statement several
posts ago, I thought it plausible enough that maybe he found it
depressing to be so famous and, so to speak, well-received, as a
musician, with as little talent and things worth saying as he had. I'd
sure as hell find that depressing. Maybe he never planned on becoming
that famous. Maybe he had figured he'd have less people looking at him
all the time. I'm told he 'didn't like the attention', as it were.
"Couldn't handle the fame", and all that crap. What he did to resolve
his 'problem' was his way, business. He was entitled. What do you want
me to do, have a good cry over what a horrible loss it is? 15 years
later? Go on.

Atoz
four paragraphs to justify your response, and in a nutshell it says you
have no respect for anyone who chooses to end their own lige.

Just to clarify though, i don't give a toss about your opinion on cobain
or his muisc one way or another. I've had back pain so bad i would rather
be dead than endure it. thankfully it has been acute and not chronic. But
I knew two people who are dead through heroin, and these are people you
wouldn't pick as being the archetypal junkies. rather, these people found
their way to heroin trough severe chronic pain and pethadine and morphine
addiction due to it.

apparently cobain had a problem with intense physical pain as well as a
bad marriage choice, a nerve in his back was causing intense stomach pain
this went on for a long time in his life and wasn't diagnosed properly
until his days in nirvana. whether or not it's true i dunno. novoselic
said he saw cobain doubled up in pain on a number of occasions adn it
wasn't withdrawals. some people just aren't strong enough to handle life,
having had no family life since the age of seven wouldn't have helped him
either, i've never had to sleep underneath a bridge or live with friend's
familes during high school beasue my mother or father didn't want me
around after they've remarried. people have nervous breakdowns regularly
and life is tough for some

Don't try and understand suicide. I have been around it enough to see
family and friends try that trick and it can have you racking your brain
till, well you know when.

I think Rich is right tho. Its my bus and it is a fundamental right. Part
of the whole freedom thing.

That was MY analogy, but thanks: it's gratifying to know someone sees it
more or less the same way. There's nothing I find more offensive than
someone feeling they need to walk on eggs around me, worrying about what
they can or can't say, except maybe expecting ME to do that. I won't. People
who don't like it can simply talk to someone else. It's what I'd do.

Atoz


I would go so far as to say life is tough for everyone too. Its just
perception. Everyone suffers heartache and loss. I dunno if Cobain pulled
the pin because of pain, but in the end it was his decision, and you have
to respect that. I don't know what drove my Granddad to suicide either. I
don't feel sorry for him, he drove his bus how he saw fit. I don't agree
with his decision, I see it as weakness, not strength. Tho I will admit
euthanasia is one thing I do support, untreatable pain is something that
really should not have to be endured. I feel sorry for those who have to
deal with the grief of suicide. That's the real agony. For the person who
dies its no longer an issue.

I will be seeing my Nana this weekend and wish I could ask her a thousand
questions but it hurts her, even at 86 years old. I never knew him well,
but what I do remember is a pretty happy bloke. I would love to know more
of what he was like. My Nana is as tough an old duck as there ever was.

Life is tough, be prepared for a battle and go hard. Have a few laughs on
the way and don't let it get you down. Life goes on and as Python put it;

Lady Presenter: [briskly] Well, that's the End of the Film, now
here's the Meaning of Life.

[An envelope is handed to her. She opens it in a
business-like way.]

Thank you Brigitte. [She reads.]... Well, it's nothing
special. Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a
good book every now and then, get some walking in and try and
live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds
and nations.

Sounds good to me.

Mark


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