Re: 4 Guncho

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On Mar 12, 4:39 pm, "Brian Hill" <g...@xxxxxx> wrote:
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On Mar 12, 3:47 pm, "Brian Hill" <g...@xxxxxx> wrote:
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On Mar 12, 6:33 am, "DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVEthisH...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 3/12/07 12:20 AM, in article
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"DeeAa" <deeaaREMOVEthisH...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As I posted the actual bit of law that is the key: if the defense
is
carried
out with no excess violence and there is no other means of escape,
the
punishment may be waived.
But if you either use more force than the assailant, or continue to
use
force where you could have already saved yourself or someone else,
you're
pretty much just as screwed as the original perp.
Gotta keep a cool head in these situations...it's wise just to drop
it.
I used to work in a used book and record store, in Ft. Lauderdale,
and
the
issue of armed robbery came up then. We had a loaded .45 auto behind
the
counter. It's like this:
Suppose a "customer" suddenly pulls a gun on you and says "gimme the
cash."
You have every right to go for your gun and shoot, although that may
not
be
a particularly wise thing to do; he may put a hole in your t-shirt
first.
After the robbery has taken place, and he's running out the door,
you
DO
NOT
have the right to shoot him in the back; you are no longer in mortal
danger,
and you may well be charged with a homicide if you do so.
That's exactly the essence of the law, but the thing is that the
courts
love
to be extremely harsh in ruling cases with violence, in that it really
in
most cases - unless the most clear-cut ones - is wiser not to even
try.
In some cases the People have dropped such charges against the victims
after
public outbursts, but they do like to try and punish each and everyone
resorting to any violence, if they can.
There was for instance a case of a woman who was raped at gunpoint and
who
managed to get the gun and shoot the rapist DURING the rape - guess
what,
she was put in jail. Got a lot of attention, and not least from the
feminists.
They tend to take the stand that there is really no way of knowing
what
had
happened - it's just the victim's word against a dead guy. Like in
your
record store example, if there are no witnesses, and you shoot the
perp
even
straigth up front, who can be sure that he was in fact still pointing
his
gun at you? Nobody!
And with the woman...how can she prove they didn't have rough sex and
then
she'd just shot him for any given reason? No way to know.
So it's better to charge with manslaughter, anyway.
Just read of an old case where a tenant had attacked his landlord's
house
next door with an axe and broken a window. The landlord had had a
stick
with
wich he had managed to hit the axeman from a window, making him drop
the
axe. All OK, but then he had picked the axe and ran the tenant out of
his
yard wielding the axe...yep, he was charged with assault as well,
because
he
had not stopped after getting the axe but similarly to the attacker
had
threatened with a deadly weapon. Not to mention hitting with a stick.
In many cases they are quite understandable; like this cop with a
police
dog
who went to stop a guy who was waving an ax around, threatening...the
dog
attacked and got killed by the axeman, the cop fired and shot the man
in
the
leg and he fell; the cop tried to save the dog but the man jumped back
up
and tried to hit the cop with the axe...the cop shot him. Charged the
cop
with manslaughter, naturally. As a professional he should have been
able
to
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Those are the stupidest rules I have ever heard.
I fully agree that if you are in danger, you should be allowed to use
whatever force you feel is necessary to neutralize that danger.
If someone breaks into your house you should have every right to shoot
him. You don't know what weapons he has and you shouldn't be required
to wait and find out.
Chris
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By guns, I mean handguns. I have no problem with having a rifle in
the house.
Chris
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It's a lot harder for a criminal to walk down the street with a rifle
in their pocket.


They have been near banned in Australia since about 1937. That never stopped anyone. Banning them is pointless. It just means the law abiding don't have any.

Mark
.

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