# Re: Beginner theory ~ Scale relationship

On Feb 7, 5:15 am, "Mr. Green" <cl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 5 Feb, 15:44, "The Tortoise" <bl...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mr. Green wrote:
On 5 Feb, 09:58, "The Tortoise" <bl...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There's a couple of interesting pentatonic pdf's available
here:

http://www.free-guitar-chords.com/pentatonic-scale-ideas.htm

One shows pentatonic/modal relationships.

The other shows pentatonic scale substitutions over major,
minor
and dom7 chords.

Have you tried this. Look at the pentatonic scale
substitutions. Why
do they they fit over these chords and, why do they sound
interesting?
It's down to what chord tones they contain. Look at the G minor
pent
over C7. we have G, Bb, C, D, F. What Are these notes relative
to a C7
chord. Rearraged we get this: C (1st), G (5th), Bb (b7th).
These notes
are part of the basic C7 arpeggio. The remaining notes are: D
(9th),
F(11th). The 9th is the first extention passed the 7th and is
very
musical a commonly used over the C7. The 11th is the interval
that
probably creates the most tension out of this set of notes.
Tension
used well equals interest.

Doing this will give you some theory to hang the sounds on. The
sounds
you can create with the G min pent over C7, can all be created
by
adding extensions to a basic C7 arpeggio. In many ways, this
pentatonic substitution idea is just a short-cut to using
extended
chord tones without learning what you are really doing. It's a
bit
like the trick of playing and Em chord over a C major. In that
case
all you are really doing is playing a Cmaj7 chord without its
root
note. Some would call this substituting the Em for the C. Other
would
call it extending the C to Cmaj7. IMHO the latter is the true
case.

We seem to see more discussion about these short cuts than we
see
about the true facts of what's really happening. There are so
many
short cuts that, they can become more confusing than just
learning the
truth about what you are playing ;-)

I think you are traking things out of context.

Just looking at the sub chart on it's own, you are correct. It is
what it is.

But it is certainly useful. And anyone who wants to know more can
analyze it as you have.

However, many people prefer a chart like that.

And, what is the 'truth' about what you are playing? I don't see
that as an issue at all. Music is what you play. That's the truth
as far as I'm concerned.

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Don't get me wrong, I know that many people don't need complete
understanding of why what they play works. That's cool. There are some
great guitarists who really do play by ear. In many ways that has got
to be the most direct way of creating music. Others like me, like to
try and find the logic behind it all. All I was trying to show was
that there are many short cuts you really don't need to learn if you
can grasp the basic theory behind them. Learning one set of theories
behind basic harmony will explain things better and save you learning
hundreds of different short cut methods that don't really explain
anything.

I was only pointing out a different approach and explaination of what
was happening with those pentatonis subs. I thought you may find it
interesting.

All the choices are yours.

Green- Hide quoted text -

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I like it. ed
.

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