Re: Cheap, cost effective upgrades

On Oct 23, 6:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Charmed Snark <sn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ed s expounded in news:567e8262-4190-427a-b3bf-ba1bbb4d0e05
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On Oct 22, 3:52 pm, Charmed Snark <sn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ed s expounded in news:9e0502d8-c912-439f-a49d-
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On Oct 22, 3:11 pm, Charmed Snark <sn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lumpy expounded innews:7kbhshF352jgpU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

One is your compensated nut argument. The scientific world
is pretty much stacked against you and Buzzy and Earvana on
that. You don't hear 3c no matter what you think and no matter
what the sales pitches have led you to believe.
Lumpy
..
It not an absolute pitch thing ( I can't tell that) it's in a cord
( relative pitch ) so tune an open cord say a C so each note is
perfect to a tuner - play slowly let it ring and listen carfully ,
and then wack out just a 5th (open g) @ 3c - strum slowly same
cord - it s now sour. Ed

Ok, I was way off. Wikipedia sez:

"1200 cents are equal to one octave".

So one semitone is 100 cents (1200/12), and so
this means that 3c is 3% of a semitone.

So the difference from the A to A#, starting
with 440 Hz, is then 466.16-440 Hz,
with the difference being only 26.16 Hz.

Now 3/100 of that, or 3%, is 0.78 Hz!

That means you have to discern between

440.00 hz and 440.78 hz!

I doubt I could hear that difference.

But I don't want to become THAT good.

Snark.

Is your tuner capable ? try it in a cord. ed

I forgot to try it last night, but I do believe
that you can change this tuner from 440 up and
down in 1 hz steps.

I can pretty much guarantee that I won't hear
the 1hz steps by themselves.  But I'll keep an
open mind until I try it.

The next thing to try is to beat two signals
together, only 3c apart. That too is very
close, so I am skeptical.

Snark.

We figured it was ~0.8 Hz at A = 440 Hz, right?
All you gotta do is have a situation where the strings will sustain for
longer than a few seconds, and you'll hear plenty of beats.  Get the
frequencies closer together and the beats will be farther apart in time,
and vice-versa.

The beats are easier to hear with a bass (maybe because both my basses
sustain a long time).  Sometimes I'll rough tune a bass by, say,
plucking the open D string and fretting the D on the A string and
plucking both at the same time, then tune one of the strings until the
beats go away.  Do the same thing with the (E, A) and (D, G) strings and
you've got it close, at least in terms of relative pitch.- Hide quoted text -

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Seems to me though that a bass is more acurate. The don't go sharp
when you fret as bad and intonation seems " just better some how" I
cant explain it.. Ahhh I know your not playing cords ! Maybe thats
it... or perhaps the heavyer guage sting are not as sensitive to
pressure when you fret of something. Longer scale ? All I know is
when I have a std Les Paul or Strat of Tele - no matter how i tune or
setup intonation, some cords just don't work all the way right. Feiten
is on my Strat ( shelf nut all about 1/16 inch closer to first fret &
streatch tuning to there formula for intonation) fixed it some - but
in certain situation it still was out. The Earvana just put on my Les
Paul, all strings have various amounts of compensation, up to almost
1/8" ( I guessing on these measurement as my guitars are not near me
now) - and so far , its seems to do the magic. 2c Ed everywhere.
.

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