Re: What scale/mode?


"Lumpy" <lumpy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Tony Done wrote:
And your simple explanation of C/Spanish/Phrygian was really good,
IMO. How about a few more? Eg (I think) Sympathy with the Devil,
Mixolydian, starts on the G of a C major scale...

Sympathy for the Devil is the Shalabamian mode.

It's amazing how playing a scale we know, but
starting on a different note, is sometimes challenging.

Most people, me included, tend to want to hear
Do Re Mi etc. When we start on the non root, like C scale starting
on G for the Mixo mode, we have a little bump when we
play that odd sounding flatted 7th. We're used to hearing
the non-flatted 7th "Ti" leading us up to the octave "Do".

I think(?) a way to work on getting around that problem of
"I expect to hear a Maj 7th but I'm trying to play a min 7th"
is to play mode/scales all starting on the same note. ie, instead of
playing the notes of the C Maj scale starting on C (Ionian)
then playing the notes of the C Maj scale starting on G (Mixo),
play them both starting on C. So -
C D E F G A B (C) = Ionian
C D E F G A Bb (C) = Mixo

And play them back to back. Like play at a comfortable
rate the Ionian then the Mixo then back to Ionian then
back to Mixo etc. All starting on the same root note.
I think that seems to allow us to HEAR
the flavor of the "odd", non-Ionian mode scale.

If, instead, we play
C D E F G A B (C)
followed by
G A B C D E F (G)
I think we tend to hear those both as a
plain Jane C Maj Ionian.

And of course, you have to have your thumb
in the right place.


Lumpy

In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
www.LumpyMusic.com





After circling around this problem for a while, I think I do better
visualising it in terms of "Key of XX, starting on YY" <g>, like SHA, "mode
of G mixo, not D with a flat 5th". I'm still willing to learn differently
though.

Tony D




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