Re: Illinois smoking ban.


"bitbucket" <bitbucket@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:slrnfofpub.71q.bitbucket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:35:34 GMT, M.Butzin <mfbutzin@NOSPAMdotnet> wrote:
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| "bitbucket" <bitbucket@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:slrnfo59e6.6s6.bitbucket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

| > and losing more and more freedoms due to goverment regulations is
| > something
| > i vehemently oppose.
| >
| > now i will shut up and practice.
| >
| Question?:
| Since you don't smoke and let's you are making your living in smoky bars and
| clubs and you get sick from it and cannot sing, your doc tells you it's from
| the smoke, (after all the tests they like to run). You take off a few days
| and sure enough you feel better you go back to "work" and sick your again.
| So you go to another doc who tells you the same thing, your having a
| reaction to the smoke (same tests).
| You quit your only job or you stay and get sicker?

i don't have some inalienable right to work or play my music in a smoky bar.
nor does anyone else. there are non-smoking places i could chose to work.

my physical build is not one that would permit me to play football in the
NFL. if i played, i would probably get hurt. should a law be passed that no
football player in the NFL can be over 5 foot 5 inches and 175 lbs. so that
i won't get hurt by deciding to do something stupid?

| One more question?: please explain to me how a 6 month old baby can express
| to his parents he/she doesn't want to go into a restaurant where people are
| smoking?

well, they can't voice their religious preference either. but i was baptized
Roman Catholic, even though now that i am an adult and have educated myself, i
think it's a crap religion. i was young enough where i couldn't voice my
opinion, yet my parents were dumb enough to have me indoctrinated into a cult.

i think the Catholic faith should be outlawed now that you have me thinking
in that perspective...

Now that you've thought about it you can work to change it or against it, question is, did it do you any bodily harm? Unlike smoke in any form which we know is bad for the body, just ask the firefighters and I am not being facetious.


i would go on, but you are clearly missing the point, and being facetious
isn't really furthering my point:

this is absolutely *not* a smoker's rights issue, or a non-smokers rights issue.

it is an issue of property rights.

| Everybody likes to rant about how backward Texas is, well let me tell you
| that 10 years ago they banned smoking in any state, or county office,
| including jails and prison, why? because of health care cost of prisoners
| and state and county employees due to smoking. that slope is only slippery
| if your pro tobacco.

well, i agree with this 100%. the key here is any ``state, or county
office''. public property. it's the right thing to do and it makes perfect
sense to me.

when you take your family to The Olive Garden, it is not public property.
i'm sorry, but it's just not, and you will just have to accept it.

i don't expect to change anyone's mind, but you just have to open your mind
to the possibility that there is a difference between public and private
property.

once you have an understanding of property rights, you might be able to see
my point of view.

Yes, I do your thinking "private property" as in "non commercial" (non governmental), the issue is private property (with) a commercial use issue. Which can be and is controlled by the local and state governments, fire code permits and building permits, fire exit doors not being locked etc. Like that band "Great White" that started that fire in the club where they were playing at, they used fireworks indoors. That club was private property but under city ordinances, the owner got cited for blocked fire exits and allowing the band to use fireworks indoors and over crowding. The State and Cities have every right and a duty to regulate what goes on in "public places" when it affects "the public" even though they maybe owned by "private corporations" (non governmental) or people.

MB

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