Re: Ya never know.


Lumpy wrote:
Twang wrote:
... a 100 mile drive,
even it's for each member isn't going
to eat up a share of 500 split five ways.

Current IRS deduction for vehicle wear and tear,
fuel etc is about 50c per mile. So
a 100 mile trip for IRS purposes is $50.
That leaves each person $50. I'm not sure
if that 100 miles is one way or round trip.
If it's round trip, you have another $50
to work with.

Now if you have absolutly no other expenses,
not likely, but let's figure it that way,
you've earned $50.

I think "I made $50" is a lot different than
"We made $500".


Lumpy that's so silly I can't believe you actually said it.
it was ONE gig.
You seemed to miss the entire point and then pretend that somehow this
one gig represented failure.
I think it's just a personal thing.
That is, personally, you're a bit goofy.

I don't think you need to lecture PT
or anyone else about playing
under any circumstances.

I think it DOES indeed need pointing out.
You don't seem to get it. Pt, deliberately
or otherwise, made it sound pretty glamorous. As if he
was making $500 for a simple evening of jamming.
When in real life he's making less than he'd
make at MacDonalds and highly likely much, much less.

*L*

To me the importance of PT's post is that he
found himself in a situation with people he
liked to play with, and the club enjoyed it
as well...

Then he should have said "Hey I'm playing a
gig that I enjoy. I don't really care that
it doesn't pay much".

Yes, Master.

To me the importance of Pt's post is it misleads
those not familiar with playing out, into thinking
that you make a lot of money doing it.

No, it doesn't at all. Not even close.

He makes a few bucks. Not top dollars,
but not a loss by any stretch,
just speaking financially...

And that, in my professional opinion, is not correct.

You know what you can do with your professional opinion don't you?

$100 for a job that takes several hours out of your day,
asks you to use several thousand dollars of your equipment,
and asks you to drive 100 (or maybe 200) miles, is a loss.

Really, man.. you're being such a weener I can't beleive it.

And as I've REPEATEDLY stated, if YOU want to do that,
that's absolutely fine. But it's misleading if the costs
are NOT pointed out.

Nobody misled anything. You read his post with criticism in mind.. it
was preordained by your unfortunate anal retentive personality.

If you don't like the "paint my house" analogy, that's
too bad. Pick any skill you like. Do it for a living,
to support your family or do it for fun, and lose
money on it, like a hobby, as you suggest. But don't
come here and tease people with "We're making five bills."

They made five hundred dollars.
He didn't say, as you so absurdly imply:
Last weekend I made a small fortune ..
they 'made' five hundred bucks.
You want that broken down into net gains per member.
something any idiot, even a beginner, could figure out on their own
without all this pretend professional horse*** you're putting out.
It's really sad you know.
It was just a post.. just talking about a fun gig he had.. it wasn't
meant for his accountant.

And there's a lot more chance of a future in which
the money is better for PT in this situation than
there would be if he had said. oh well
not enough cash for me...

Now you're sounding like one of those club owners.
"Future in which the money is better?" bull***.

Oh, really. Nobody ever gets a raise.. or offered more nights?
What the *** is your problem Lumpy?

Absolute, plain, stinky bull***. The one making
money here is the bar owner. To assume otherwise
is just plain incorrect. You think that club owner
is going to raise their pay to a point where it
is anything like that of his waiters and bartenders?
Not gonna happen.

As a musician of some 35 years, as a person who managed bars and
restaurants, as a person who worked as a waited and a bartender in a
wide variety of situations I can tell you that I laughed outloud at the
above.

The 500 certainly covered expenses,
pardon me repeating that but it
seemed to not sink in...

No, Twang, it doesn't seem to be sinking in.
Go gather a group of 4 guitarists,
one bass player, a drummer, and several
thousand dollars worth of equipment. Drive
100 miles, spend 8-10 or more hours doing
your thing, and bring home $100. You'll
be wealthy in no time.


Again, you're being a complete doofus.
Where did he claim great wealth around the corner?
Where did I?
Where did anyone?
You need to keep that day job, man. You have no faith in your own
ability, not enough courage to take the risk and make the effort that
it would take to even get yourself a decent gig.
and judging just by how much of a petty little *** you've been in this
thread, it seems very doubtful anyone would want to play with you
anyway.

Grow up. Get some counseling,
something....

TWANG!

Lumpy
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