Re: PA Question


Justice (remove2reply) wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2005 16:13:49 -0800, "Guncho" <cgunter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >
> >Let's see my suggestions were:
> >
> >1 Get a seperate mixer and power amp as it's easily upgradeable.
> >
> >Is that bad advice? Or are you just a ***? I think it's the latter.
>
> Its not that its bad advice, you just gainsay things and never give
> explanations. The OP is talking about getting a PA, a person with
> experience carrying a full PA would know that that means at a minimum,
> Mixer, mains and monitors with amps for all. He also wanted it to be
> light and portable. Sad to say, most PA gear is not light. He's
> playing in a classic rock band, so thats going to mean bars. Bars vary
> in size and it does not take a lot of power to fill one to extremes.
> So taking all the OPs wants into consideration, a powered mixer suck
> as the Behringer PMH3000
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/631248/
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> or yamaha EMX5000
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630106/
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> Would be perfect, you add a pair of powered speakers like the
> Behringer B300s for mains and use the internal amp of the mixer to run
> a couple of passive monitor wedges. Its simple, portable and will be
> plenty of PA for probably 90% (proabably more) of bars that have live
> music. And, its easily upgradable as well.
>
> So your advice was not bad....it just was not really good either.
>

You are a ***. So basically you're saying the ONLY solution to this
guys PA needs is a powered mixer. Bull***. I have played lots of
"bars" and "clubs" in my time and 0 of them used powerd mixers. I
didn't say you COULDN'T use one I just said a seperate mixer and amp
was easily upgradeable and guess what IT IS.

> >
> >2 Avoid Peavey
>
> Why? Will you get asian bird flu from them?
>
> >
> >I have played through a number of Peavey powered mixers and had nothing
> >but trouble with them. Whether you agree with that or not, that is my
> >personal experience.
>
> See, but you didn't say "avoid Peavy powered mixers" you just painted
> the whole Peavey brand with a wide brush. Again, not really good
> advice since you don't qualify your statements. The CS series amps
> and SP series speakers have been mainstays in the MI level PA world,
> why? cause they are solid and dependable pieces of equipment. If you
> experience with them is limited to rehersal room PA's I could
> understand not liking them as I could see them being not very well
> taken care of and abused by people who don't care since its not
> theirs. But you don't say, so we don't know.

Yes I would advise anyone to avoid the whole Peavey brand. Do you
agree with that? Guess what! I don't care. It's my opinion.
>
> >
> >3 Get as much power as you can afford.
> >
> >Once again, do you really think that's bad advice or are you just
> >generally an ***.
>
> well, i'm not generally an ***, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn
> Express last night.
>
> So if the guy can afford a 10000 watt system with a system and Meyer
> or Turbosound speakers, he should buy that? Thats just silly. Granted
> it is alwasy better to have more than you need, but there are limits
> to sensability. A better idea would be for the OP to go to the types
> of clubs/bars that the band would be playing at and see what the other
> bands that play there are using. That would give him a much better
> idea of how much PA he actually needed.

Yes that's exactly what I meant ***. I meant he should get a PA that
could be used in a football stadium.

***.

>
> >
> >4 An underpowered PA will feedback like a stuck pig.
> >
> >If you try to crank a 50 watt PA to keep up with a loud band, it will
> >feedback. I don't care how you "set it up".
>
> If you have a loud band and a 50 watt PA, then you really have other
> problems, like being an idiot. I know you're trying to make an example
> but its a really bad one.

No it's not. It totally proves your "No PA will feedback if setup
correctly" bull*** is just that.

>
> This is an 80 watt PA (Fender Passport)
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/480866/
>
> This system in over its head for most anyting onther than a public
> speaker in a small to medium room or maybe a solo acoustic performer.
> Suggesting that someone would try to use something like that for a
> band (loud or not) is just stupid.
>
> But, properly setup and run, it shouldn't feed back. Thats the whole
> point, its not the size of the pa that matters when comes to feedback,
> if it is not setup right and not run properly, then it could be a
> 10watt or a 10000watt system and its going to feed back. Plus if your
> PA is really underpowered, your more likely to destroy your speakers
> trying to push it beyond its limits.

I used my Traynor YVM 6 100 watt powered mixer running two Yorkville
floor monitors with 15" speakers and it was fine for two vocal mics.
Also it's not likely a 100 watt PA is going to blow my speakers as they
are rated much higher than that.


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>
> >
> >I am and do not claim to be an expert on PA gear. However I have
> >played through at least a hundred different PA systems and think that
> >more than qualifies me to have an opinion.
>
> Yea, but how many have you owned, setup and run? Besides your 100watt
> practice PA. Have you ever setup a 2000, 3000, or 5000watt 2 or 3 way
> system with 2-4 monitor mixes as well?

Who cares? Did I say I was a professional soundman? This is a guitar
NG ***.

You don't play in cover bands,

No I certainly don't. Someone shoot me if I ever do.

> you don't play in clubs that don't provide a PA system. Most bars and
> clubs don't have house PAs so the band has to provide or hire out.
> there are over 100 clubs and bars where I live that have live music,
> off the top of my head I can think of 6 or 7 that have house systems.
> And half of those have both cover and original bands. So your take on
> things like that is not really "real world" to most gigging musicians.

Well guess what buddy? Not everyone lives in your little neck of the
woods.

ALL of the live venues for original music in Toronto and Vancouver
supply a sound system and soundman.
>
> >
> >Alright pal? If you want to discuss PA gear than lets. If you just
> >want to fight and prove what a big man you are then lets go.
> >
> >Chris
>
> Whatever...

Exactly.

***

Chris

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