Re: Basic Beginner Teaching and Practice Questions


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> Lumpy wrote:
> > mark (sixstringtheoryDOTcom) wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't matter that I play the
> > > cello at a level of someone
> > > who's been playing for all of
> > > 4 months. I just look at the Wiki's
> > > and online stuff and regurgitate it.
> >
> > I'm teaching nuclear physics and
> > brain surgery over on my site.
>
>
> http://www.guitarprinciples.com/Taking_Lessons/TeachGuitar.htm
>
> Everyone, including the OP, should read that.
(snip)

Already have. Your point?

>Read her whole website
> and everything else she has published for that matter including her
> articles on guitarnoise. (snip)

A little too esoteric for my taste. Her talking about a 24-hour beginner
teaching another makes for a great feel-good, earthy/crunchy mantra, but in
reality doesn't work. The missing part is that the teacher needs to keep
learning as quickly as he/she is teaching, else the student comes up with
questions the "teacher" can't answer. Even this is okay, assuming the new
teacher doesn't make *** up to answer these questions. This is where the
learning would happen for the teacher.

I agree that teaching is one of the best ways to learn, assuming the teacher
is mature enough, dedicated enough, and has the humility to admit when
he/she needs to research an answer to a question, and the age-old
realization that "the more I learn, the more I find that I don't know."

>That person has WAY more credibility than any
> of you self proclaimed experts cruising beginner groups stomping on
> people.(snip)

Why? Because *you* say so? Because she is trying to sell you a method? First
of all, your credibility is in the toilet, generally. Your overabundance of
intelligent vocabulary precedes you, among other things.


> And that is all I have to say on this matter. You guys just suck.(snip)

So you're going to shut about it? Oh, judging from what follows, I guess
that would be too much to wish for...

> There was no reason to attack me in this way...none at all. I did
> nothing but offer my insight, right or wrong, to another beginner who
> is looking to teach someone guitar and I did so without so much of an
> iota of claimed "authority".

There was every reason in the world to attack you, as you've attacked others
here relentlessly since you wandered in. The main reason is that your
"insight" was/is far off base, and you have been rubbing people the wrong
way since you've gotten here. You intentionally contradict people who quite
obviously have decades of experience in these matters over you, you
constantly insult said experienced teachers, and you come off as if you know
more than everyone else.

>That is the purpose of this group...you
> "professionals" who can do nothing but badmouth and attack other people
> that try to use this newsgroup as the *beginner support group* it is
> supposed to be need to learn that. (snip)

Not other people. Just the few that give bad advice and insult others.
Mainly just you. How many others have a problem with being attacked in this
group? The ones that e-mail me privately to ask questions that they don't
want your inane answers to?

>You are turning this forum into
> nothing but a battle ground just to boost your own sad and disfigured
> egos and it is way beyond pathetic.(snip)

You've heard of projection? I believe you've become it's honorary poster
boy.


> As far as that goes you guys don't even seem to have any business here
> OTHER than to harrass people and show off. (snip)

Again, not people. Just you. As far as showing off, I'm not the one who
posted a link to my playing to give myself some type of validity. My
teaching stands on it's own. If one feels a need to hear my playing, it's
not difficult to find. I don't bother posting about it because I don't feel
the need to show off.

>I have said repeatedly that
> I am a beginner (I'm trying to learn and help as I go just like the
> rest of the *beginners* here) whereas the rest of you participating in
> this soap opera do nothing but proclaim from on high how fucking expert
> level and professional you are and how you are here just to protect the
> beginners...who are obviously to fucking stupid to defend themselves
> from misinformation and mistakes. (snip)

Seems like you obviously are. I don't actually believe in stupidity, but I
can certainly see a shining example of ignorance every time you post.

>This is not alt.guitar.expert, nor
> is it alt.guitar.professional, you blowhards!(snip)

No, you finally make an intelligent statement, name-calling notwithstanding.
However, this forum had turned into a place that beginners could trade ideas
and learn some things from each other, and where more experienced players
and teachers could actually give away free information. Many of them were
happy to receive it and appreciated the advice given by PT, who I suspect
could smoke me on the guitar, Perry Domzella, who I'm aware is slightly less
experienced than me but he worked real hard to give out correct information
and be clear when explaining himself, Cathy Cowette, who was also
particularly clarifying, Mark, myself, etc. Then you came along and this
group went downhill. It may have started with you, or you may have washed in
with other trash, but once a few trolls got on the bandwagon, you were much
more content to hang here, in the midst of all the confusion and insults.
Right up your alley.

> There are several incredibly brilliant and skilled guitarists that post
> to this group and can provide their insight to the rest of us without
> belittling and attacking people...why do you guys seem so unable to
> accomplish that? (snip)

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

> So just grow the *** up!! And while you are at it why don't you just
> shut the *** up too... Or better yet, go choke on a dead cat.(snip)

Classic. Spoken (typed) like a true highschool student. You should spend a
little less time skipping Presentation Skills 101, and a little more time
practicing your instrument. Teaching is a wonderful thing. However, one
doesn't succeed at it if they're motivated by the desire to be superior;
rather, the important part is the desire to see students become one's peers.
Nothing's made me happier than when I recently ran into one of my former
students who is heading into her sophomore year at Berklee, and is doing
quite well. Hopefully she'll take advantage of her resources and learn to
smoke me, or at least we can share a stage together.

--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
Teaching: http://findmeateacher.com/contact.php?id=1107

"As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I
sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking
and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way."
- Jack Handey


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