Re: question about teaching and learning guitar (Master Musicians)

"Mike C." <Funkifized@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On second thought I will reply to some of this episitle.

> Well, seems obvious to me that I should not bother replying because you
> have
> nothing new to reply with. I keep saying the same things over and over
> again
> because my points are valid and indisputable. Have you addressed the
> "reading English while learning to speak" point? Funny, you seem to have
> deleted that portion every single time you've replied. I wonder why you
> would do that?

Because it is irrelevant to teaching someone to play guitar. Many have
also voiced the same opinion & statement.

> I do have an idea what your knowledge and/or experience is. Everyone here
> does, as you've repeated asinine statements over and over. You obviously
> know not the first thing about teaching 8-year-olds, nor do you know
> anything about teaching music other than your beloved metal/hard rock.

Really. Shows how much you know. I started playing in 1979 when
I was 22. Do the math. What about you Mr expert?

> You're certainly in the camp that can't separate your own taste in music
> from all that is out there, can't understand that different influences in
> music are *always* a help in learning, irregardless of what style you're
> trying to learn, and you're obviously in the camp that needs instant
> gratification. Difficult to grasp with someone at your level of
> intelligence, maturity level, and attention span, but learning to master
> music is a lifelong pursuit. Learning a bunch of metal licks is a stepping
> stone at best, and a waste of time at worst. No one here ever said that

Really. You have nothing to base this on. And this nonsense is
where I call my reply to you quits.

In closing, I have more respect for the music that people play &
to be appreciative of it. I would not dengrate and or insult someone
because of their musical tastes like you have just done. It is quite
offensive that you would say something like this. Thank you for
showing everyone the type of *PERSON* you are. Seems
intolerable to the first order...

And now I am done with this thread.

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gcisko@xxxxxxxxxxx

> reading music was the sole way of teaching a kid. You have made it clear,
> however, that teaching this 8-year-old to read music would be a detriment
> to
> his learning, and that he would be forever turned off to guitar and would
> turn into some kind of fairy-loving liberal with a grudge against guitar
> teachers for the rest of his natural life.
>
> Yes, I said "should be taught". Got a problem with that? Once again, and
> yes, I'm repeating myself for the nth time, the 8-year-old *should be
> taught* how to read English and form sentences with said written language,
> as well. Why is this any different? This time, *answer* *the* *question*.
> You have a serious comprehension problem in this area, and it has become
> clear that you are far more set in your ways and not able to bend
> slightly.
>
> Egotistical and set in my ways? I don't think you'd ever find a student of
> mine that would ever agree to this. I teach students of all levels, of all
> ages, who are interested in many different styles of music. They're all
> learning and have done particularly well since I've started teaching them.
> I've got students that could already play the guitar when they started, as
> well as students who started from scratch. I've used examples from
> Metallica
> as well as Green Day, REM, Bach, Beethoven, Coltrane, Parker, etc., for
> learning examples. Some of this music I really hadn't heard extensively
> before, but I worked with it and found good lessons in it anyway. Students
> are happy with this. They learn from it. Even though it becomes
> increasingly
> obvious that Green Day doesn't know any more than 4-5 chords, I find
> valuable lessons in their music anyway, including rhythms, phrasing, etc.
> For example, using "When I Come Around" is good example for teaching 16th
> note rhythms and it's far easier to show them as written down in standard
> notation, using chord slashes. Any problems with this? The students that
> are
> into Green Day don't think so. They're learning a lot, and they're happy
> with it.
>
> If the statement "you must be a very good teacher" includes currently
> teaching over 30 students per week, then I guess one could make that
> assumption. If it includes having taught hundreds of students in the past,
> the majority of whom (estimating at least 80%) of them staying on for well
> over a year, then I guess one could make that assumption. However, I
> myself
> admittedly don't make that assumption. The only assumption I make is that
> I
> can be flexible to make sure that I am the *right* teacher for the
> student.
> Rarely does it happen that I am not. Does that make me a good teacher.
> We'll
> let the students decide. When it does happen, it's because I've been given
> a
> piano student that is beyond my skills as a piano teacher, mainly because
> piano is not my main instrument. Very occasionally it would be a trumpet
> student that was beyond my skills as a trumpet teacher, mainly because
> trumpet is not my main instrument. However, my massive ego, as you would
> have me possessing, would still not allow me to pass one of these students
> off to a better teacher than me.
>
> Let's see, what else? Oh, Hendrix. Yes, let's address that, although every
> non-reading, asinine argument includes him. Let's get this clear: I love
> Hendrix. "Band Of Gypsys" (yes, that is how it's spelled on the recording,
> look it up), "Live At The Fillmore", "Blues", etc., are some of my
> favorite
> recordings. "Who Knows" is a great lesson in swing 16th notes, BTW,
> assuming
> that you don't know what those are. However, Hendrix *far* from mastered
> music as a whole. He had little knowledge of playing jazz, classical, and
> a
> number of styles. That's pretty well documented. Hendrix *did* master the
> music he played best, the blues. He also created his own style of music
> and
> composition, but even a casual listener would be able to realize that he
> would be totally out of his element in a jazz situation. Doesn't make him
> a
> bad guy, just that he wasn't as *complete* as one might think. Yes, Miles
> Davis had plans to record with Jimi, but that was because Miles had moved
> into a much more free music environment, using electric instruments and
> rock
> rhythms (well documented as well).
>
> You're making a fool of yourself. Be done with it. Of course, I don't
> necessarily expect you to have read this far anyway, as you seem to not
> have
> the attention span to read a post with more than a couple of paragraphs.
> Maybe that's why you haven't been able to grasp the concept of reading
> music.
>
> Oh, and I'm ashamed that I hadn't thought of your argumentative angle, and
> didn't find a way to try and discredit you: you repeat yourself over and
> over, so don't bother replying. Yeah, that's how you do it, right?
>
> Get over your bad self. I'm done with you.
>
> --
> Mike C.
> http://mikecrutcher.com
> Teaching: http://findmeateacher.com/contact.php?id=1107
>
> "As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I
> sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking
> and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way."
> - Jack Handey
>
>


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