Re: question about teaching and learning guitar (Master Musicians)


"Greg Cisko" <gcisko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Mike C." <Funkifized@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > No, it proves that one person in millions can master the guitar without
> > learning to read. It proves that there are a number of hack guitar
>
> That would be why this person is a master. There are not zillions
> of masters. Just a handful. Boy you are good!!!!!
>
> > players that are hoping for a magic bullet that allows them to be the
> > next Hendrix. You know what else? Hendrix practiced his ass off,
>
> It that what you really think? Quite hilarious. No one ever said they
> were the next hendrix in this thread as far as I know. You keep that
> is what people are thinking though apparently.
>
> > listened to a huge amount of music, and worked an insane amount of time
> > alone trying to emulate records. He wasn't getting guitar lessons from
> > a teacher. He wasn't posting on alt.guitar.beginner, nor would he have
> > been because he was working far too hard to learn music without
>
> How about because it (NG's) wasn't available when he played. Very
> egotistical of you to think you know everything he would have done
> or not done. Whoa...
>
> > learning to write it down. Not to mention that Hendrix certainly didn't
> > master music. Hendrix was a friggin' genius, and this proves that there
>
> Really. He didn't master music?!?! OK this is another reason to not
> reply. You are talking silly gibberish.
>
> > are a lot of people holding onto a nearly impossible dream that they
> > may possess this level of genius. Additionally, should Hendrix have
>
> Really it does? You must be quite the teacher.
>
> > been given an archtop and asked to immprovise over "Giant Steps", he
> > would have fallen flat on his face.
>
> He would have fallen flat on his face? Have you seen this happen?
> Or are you doing the hypothetical thing? If you are, then shut up
> already as you would have no idea what he would have done. I
> mean come on he is dead.
>
> > The original point was that an 8-year-old is hardly at a developmental
> > stage to make decisions that will affect his wholemusical career. Just
> > as a child is taught the alphabet and how to read English(assuming
> > that's his native language), and it's a given that he can decide later
> > on whether or not he will be a writer or a public speaker later on in
> > life. Beginners should be taught to read and they can decide later if
>
> Really *SHOULD BE TAUGHT*... Huh, who says? You? Who
> the hell are you anyway? You seem like an overly egotistical person
> set in his ways an not willing to bend even slightly. You must be a
> very good teacher.
>
> > they're going to use it, particularly said 8-year-old. Reading is not a
> > difficult task, especially if the kid is doing as well as cited.
> >
> > "Don't bother replying"? Why, because you can't be bothered to read a
> > reply from someone who has far more knowledge and experience than you?
>
> Obviously don't bother replying because you are saying the same
> things over and over again. Yada yada yada... I read it the first time
> and figured you to be a nut-job.
>
> You have no idea what my knowledge or experience is. Same as I
> have no idea what yours is. Very egotistical of you to assume that
> you know all that is guitar with regards to me. Get over yourself
> already.
>
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>
> gcisko@xxxxxxxxxxx

Well, seems obvious to me that I should not bother replying because you have
nothing new to reply with. I keep saying the same things over and over again
because my points are valid and indisputable. Have you addressed the
"reading English while learning to speak" point? Funny, you seem to have
deleted that portion every single time you've replied. I wonder why you
would do that?

I do have an idea what your knowledge and/or experience is. Everyone here
does, as you've repeated asinine statements over and over. You obviously
know not the first thing about teaching 8-year-olds, nor do you know
anything about teaching music other than your beloved metal/hard rock.
You're certainly in the camp that can't separate your own taste in music
from all that is out there, can't understand that different influences in
music are *always* a help in learning, irregardless of what style you're
trying to learn, and you're obviously in the camp that needs instant
gratification. Difficult to grasp with someone at your level of
intelligence, maturity level, and attention span, but learning to master
music is a lifelong pursuit. Learning a bunch of metal licks is a stepping
stone at best, and a waste of time at worst. No one here ever said that
reading music was the sole way of teaching a kid. You have made it clear,
however, that teaching this 8-year-old to read music would be a detriment to
his learning, and that he would be forever turned off to guitar and would
turn into some kind of fairy-loving liberal with a grudge against guitar
teachers for the rest of his natural life.

Yes, I said "should be taught". Got a problem with that? Once again, and
yes, I'm repeating myself for the nth time, the 8-year-old *should be
taught* how to read English and form sentences with said written language,
as well. Why is this any different? This time, *answer* *the* *question*.
You have a serious comprehension problem in this area, and it has become
clear that you are far more set in your ways and not able to bend slightly.

Egotistical and set in my ways? I don't think you'd ever find a student of
mine that would ever agree to this. I teach students of all levels, of all
ages, who are interested in many different styles of music. They're all
learning and have done particularly well since I've started teaching them.
I've got students that could already play the guitar when they started, as
well as students who started from scratch. I've used examples from Metallica
as well as Green Day, REM, Bach, Beethoven, Coltrane, Parker, etc., for
learning examples. Some of this music I really hadn't heard extensively
before, but I worked with it and found good lessons in it anyway. Students
are happy with this. They learn from it. Even though it becomes increasingly
obvious that Green Day doesn't know any more than 4-5 chords, I find
valuable lessons in their music anyway, including rhythms, phrasing, etc.
For example, using "When I Come Around" is good example for teaching 16th
note rhythms and it's far easier to show them as written down in standard
notation, using chord slashes. Any problems with this? The students that are
into Green Day don't think so. They're learning a lot, and they're happy
with it.

If the statement "you must be a very good teacher" includes currently
teaching over 30 students per week, then I guess one could make that
assumption. If it includes having taught hundreds of students in the past,
the majority of whom (estimating at least 80%) of them staying on for well
over a year, then I guess one could make that assumption. However, I myself
admittedly don't make that assumption. The only assumption I make is that I
can be flexible to make sure that I am the *right* teacher for the student.
Rarely does it happen that I am not. Does that make me a good teacher. We'll
let the students decide. When it does happen, it's because I've been given a
piano student that is beyond my skills as a piano teacher, mainly because
piano is not my main instrument. Very occasionally it would be a trumpet
student that was beyond my skills as a trumpet teacher, mainly because
trumpet is not my main instrument. However, my massive ego, as you would
have me possessing, would still not allow me to pass one of these students
off to a better teacher than me.

Let's see, what else? Oh, Hendrix. Yes, let's address that, although every
non-reading, asinine argument includes him. Let's get this clear: I love
Hendrix. "Band Of Gypsys" (yes, that is how it's spelled on the recording,
look it up), "Live At The Fillmore", "Blues", etc., are some of my favorite
recordings. "Who Knows" is a great lesson in swing 16th notes, BTW, assuming
that you don't know what those are. However, Hendrix *far* from mastered
music as a whole. He had little knowledge of playing jazz, classical, and a
number of styles. That's pretty well documented. Hendrix *did* master the
music he played best, the blues. He also created his own style of music and
composition, but even a casual listener would be able to realize that he
would be totally out of his element in a jazz situation. Doesn't make him a
bad guy, just that he wasn't as *complete* as one might think. Yes, Miles
Davis had plans to record with Jimi, but that was because Miles had moved
into a much more free music environment, using electric instruments and rock
rhythms (well documented as well).

You're making a fool of yourself. Be done with it. Of course, I don't
necessarily expect you to have read this far anyway, as you seem to not have
the attention span to read a post with more than a couple of paragraphs.
Maybe that's why you haven't been able to grasp the concept of reading
music.

Oh, and I'm ashamed that I hadn't thought of your argumentative angle, and
didn't find a way to try and discredit you: you repeat yourself over and
over, so don't bother replying. Yeah, that's how you do it, right?

Get over your bad self. I'm done with you.

--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
Teaching: http://findmeateacher.com/contact.php?id=1107

"As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I
sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking
and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way."
- Jack Handey


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