Re: Kanye West


"Jim Carr" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Rieves wrote:
Oh, you have to *intend* for it to be art. Kinda makes you wonder how
the first piece of art was created.

No, you don't have to *intend* for it to be art, it's more of a "creative
for the purpose of creativity" thing.

Not seeing the difference.

You wouldn't...

> Anything created for the sole intention of making money comes under the
heading of business, not art. The major labels are a business, releasing
music for the purpose of making money. They don't care about anything but
the profits. Sometimes they release music that can be considered art, but
there is no intention to make art, just money.

That's just another rant against big business.

Rant? No, statement of fact, and not really negative. In point of fact,
considering that the point of running a business is to make money, the major
labels often do a rather good job of that. The pop music industry is a
business, there should be no expectation of high art in the songs they
release. The fact that they occasionally do produce art is a mostly
unintended side effect, not necessarily related to making money.

Besides, I doubt you could reliably establish that somebody did
something "solely" for money. It would take an incredible amount of
self-discipline to objectively make every decision based on your
estimation of what will make the most money. There will always be a part
of it that reflects you.

Hiring staff writers and paying them to write songs to whatever formula
is considered the "hit" formula of the week is creating music solely to
make money. Any art that may come from that is strictly incidental.

Which contradicts your dictum about art and profit.

How so?

The belief that one has no soul may well be a self-fulfilling
prophesy, by refusing to believe in your soul, you destroy it. As for
providing evidence of a soul, there has been considerable evidence
provided, it just happens to be circumstantial evidence. It's a matter of
faith, you either believe or you don't.

No, Mike, there's no evidence for souls. Zero. Nil. Nada. Taking it on
faith is just the easy way out.

Sounds like you have something against folks having souls. You might want
to Google it and see what turns up. You might just be surprised. BTW, faith
is anything but the easy way out.

I'm just glad that medical pioneers a few hundred years ago didn't take it
on "faith" that disease was caused by demons.

Most other folks did, some still do.

It's easy to write songs without putting your personality into them.
You can even write a song from the totally opposite point of view.

Impossible. Every decision you make is going to based on who you are. It's
impossible to complete separate the creation from the creator.

Wait, you make the statement that it's impossible to separate the Creation
from the Creator, yet you deny the existance of the human soul?!?
One can very easily take any viewpoint one desires when writing a song,
it isn't necessary to make any decision based on what one believes or what
one is, to write a song.

It the original arrangement of a cover song takes the song in a totally
different direction from that intended by the original writer, creativity
is involved, and any time creativity is involved, there exists the
potential for creating art.

How can it be a "totally different" yet still be recognized as a cover?

If the lyrics are the same, then it's a cover, no matter where the music
takes it. I heard a band in Atlanta do a killer heavy metal version of "Six
Days On the Road". It was recognizable only by the lyrics and the general
chord progression..


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