Re: Kanye West


"Jim Carr" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Rieves wrote:

I think it can be argued that the creation and performance of original
music is art, as long as it was created with the intention of creating
art.

Oh, you have to *intend* for it to be art. Kinda makes you wonder how the
first piece of art was created.

No, you don't have to *intend* for it to be art, it's more of a "creative
for the purpose of creativity" thing.

If it's created with the sole intention of making money with it, then
it's not art.

Why not? That sort of contradicts that art is in the eye of the beholder.
Do you personally interview every person whose art you appreciate to make
sure their motives were pure?

Anything created for the sole intention of making money comes under the
heading of business, not art. The major labels are a business, releasing
music for the purpose of making money. They don't care about anything but
the profits. Sometimes they release music that can be considered art, but
there is no intention to make art, just money.

Besides, I doubt you could reliably establish that somebody did something
"solely" for money. It would take an incredible amount of self-discipline
to objectively make every decision based on your estimation of what will
make the most money. There will always be a part of it that reflects you.

Hiring staff writers and paying them to write songs to whatever formula is
considered the "hit" formula of the week is creating music solely to make
money. Any art that may come from that is strictly incidental.

In other words, for it to be art, the artist *must* put something of his
soul and personality into it.

Well, I don't believe there's any such thing as a soul. Nobody has ever
provided evidence of one. As for personality coming into it, that's
unavoidable unless you're in a coma and somebody rolls your body in paint
to make a mural.

The belief that one has no soul may well be a self-fulfilling prophesy,
by refusing to believe in your soul, you destroy it. As for providing
evidence of a soul, there has been considerable evidence provided, it just
happens to be circumstantial evidence. It's a matter of faith, you either
believe or you don't.
It's easy to write songs without putting your personality into them. You
can even write a song from the totally opposite point of view.

If it is created as art, then the question merely becomes, "Is it good
art or bad art?".

Why does that question even need to be asked?

Why does any question need to be asked, a question is asked in the hope of
getting an answer to it, unless, of course, it's a rhetorical question.

It can also be argued that an original arrangement of a cover song can
be art as well.

An "original" arrangement of something somebody else wrote is still
imitation. On what basis is a given cover art or not?


It the original arrangement of a cover song takes the song in a totally
different direction from that intended by the original writer, creativity is
involved, and any time creativity is involved, there exists the potential
for creating art.


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