Re: OT: Diet (was Damn I'm good)

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Thank you. Between my cardiologist, two other doctors, and my
dietician, I know what I need to do. I have only now, to do it.
-Raf
RAf, I am sincerely sorry that I somehow started this thing.
Gerry
It's off-topic, but you shouldn't be sorry you started it. Being
healthy is important to everyone on some level and quite a few of us
here are middle-aged.

-S-

Steve: Fasting is, by FAR, the stupidest way to lose weight I've ever
heard of. Usually, I think of you as a good guy, with valuable
knowledge, but good lord, what a crock of...

Look into a Low Glycemic Lifestyle. Much easier on your body, and a
LOT less likely to cause you to permanently lose muscle mass or
liquid
weight, which is all fasting does.

Here's a good place to start:

http://www.drshari.net/

Corey

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Corey, I don't fast but it is an approach which works for some
people. In addition, fasting has a long, long history as part of many
meditative processes, religions, and the like. You seem to labor
under a common misconception, which is that you lose muscle if you
don't eat for a few hours - it's just not true. Our ancestors, and
indeed many people in the world today who have no choice, didn't and
don't eat on a regular schedule.

I have been following the Warrior Diet idea of under-eating during
the day and then having a big meal in the evening for a number of
years, as have thousands of other people, with very good results
including changing my body composition for the better - I dropped 3%
bodyfat while keeping my weight the same, which means I added around
5 lbs. of muscle.

Please do not speak of that which you do not know. I won't attempt
to offer advice on a Low Glycemic Lifestyle, but neither will I rule
it out - just like when looking for a sax player, we've all got to
find what works for us. I'm talking about something I do and that
works for me - whether it's good for someone else or not is up to
them, but there is ample research to support various forms of
intermittent fasting or under-eating, including one often-cited study
in which animals, given 24 hours of no food followed by 24 hours of
completely unrestricted eating, ended up with both more muscle and
less fat than their control group counterparts - the approach does
work for many humans, too, I assure you. Perhaps the most important
change was how their insulin responses changed for the better - this
is an important benefit of cycling under- and over-eating.

So, just to be completely clear, I'm not at all suggesting that your
ideas are bad or good, damaging or health promoting, or anything like
that. I'm just saying, "Hey, this is what I do and it works for me,
your mileage may vary" - OK? A little "live and let live" goes a
long way on an Internet newsgroup.

That said, and all other things being equal, foods that are low on
the glycolic index are better for most people, most of the time, and
therefore to be recommended in general.

-S-

If I understand your idea correctly, it consists of eating lightly and
perhaps often during the day followed by eating heavily at night. If
that is correct, it's how I put on the extra 20 to 30 lbs in the first
place.

Gerry

Light is a relative term. The guidelines for the Warrior Diet are
pretty specific. A day might be something like coffee in the morning,
and perhaps some fresh-made vegetable or fruit juice in a small serving
midday, and a handful of almonds at 4 pm. That's the idea of light, and
that's a pretty typical day for me if I'm not exercising a lot - if I
exercise a lot, I know to eat more, especially a bit within the first
half-hour or so post-workout.

And as to "heavily" at night, that's something relative, too. I think
most successful diets combine will power, exercise, and a change in
eating habits. I have redefined "heavy" as I've gotten older, and I'm
perfectly capable of gaining weight on just one meal a day if I really
put my mind to it. I listed will power first in my previous sentence
for a reason. My own form of diligence to my diet is getting on the
scale every morning. It doesn't lie, and I'm smart enough to know that
my weight will go up a pound or two if I eat out, have a lot of salt
and/or carbs, etc., but I keep getting on that scale every morning, and
that, more than anything else, is how I maintain my weight. If my
weight starts to go up, I know that I need to finish my day satisfied
but not stuffed - the trouble is that if you keep stuffing yourself, it
becomes your usual and then you expect it. Lowering your expectations
about the amount of food, in total, you're going to eat is part of most
diets, I think.

All that said, many people can change their weight and body composition
simply by "cleaning up" what they eat and nothing else, at least to a
point, so that's maybe worth trying, too. There are web sites that let
you record everything you eat, give you a calorie count for it, etc.,
and sometimes just the act of writing it down makes you make better
choices.

Last but not least, there's a wonderful, little book entitled
"Consistent Winning" that talks about the value of a cyclic approach to
athletics, of how, e.g., some African distance runners stop running
completely for a couple of months every year but still come back to be
champions. The point of the book is that our bodies are designed _not_
to function with a steady amount of either exercise or, IMHO, food, and
that cycling feast and famine is how we tend to work best in many
things, including but not limited to exercise. My own approach to food
isn't limited to just a daily cycle - I eat more on the weekends,
usually including a big breakfast on Saturdays, and then back off on my
food intake during the week. Likewise I've come to expect that I'll
weigh a little more every winter and a little less every summer.

Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it here on Usenet, but these
are approaches that have worked, and continue to work, for me.

-S-


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