Re: Sound Installation Advice

On Nov 16, 10:13 pm, "Mike Rieves" <mr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think you're the thick one Corey. Basically. you're trying to say that
because studio monitors sound good in the studio, and home speakers sound
good in people's living rooms, either or both should sound better in larger
rooms full of people than do SR speakers which were designed specifically
for larger rooms full of people. The reason studio monitors sound good in
the studio is that they were designed specifically for studio use, and the
reason good home speakers sound good in our home listening rooms is that
they were designed for exactly that environment. Neither of those speaker
types is designed for club type environments, nor are they designed to be
used in groups to cover larger, club type environments. Certain SR speakers,
on the other, hand are designed specifically for larger, club type
environments, and they are designed to sound good under a wide variety of
conditions, such as background music, dance music of various types, acoustic
groups and live bands. I respectfully submit that if you think just because
home speakers sound good in a living room, they'll sound good an a club type
environment, and if you think you can use a bunch of them to cover the whole
room without running into phasing and delay issues that will negate any
sonic advantages they may have had individually, you're the ignorant one.

With luck, Mike will have enough of us plonked that it will seem to be
a quiet wasteland, at which point he'll leave.

HOWEVER, to rebut his comments:

I have consistently maintained that SR speakers sound good for what
they do: They are loud, efficient cabs with inherent flaws from
needing to be that type of speaker.

Studio monitors are designed to sound flat. The best of them point out
things you wish you never knew was recorded. They give you the pure,
naked truth about what was recorded. This is their only purpose: To be
harder on your music than any other sound system will ever be. Those
people who appreciate this honesty find them refreshing and wonderful.

Home stereo speakers are designed for very specific listening types.
Some people listen to predominantly vocal music... and will purchase
speakers that flatter that. Others prefer cabs voiced to sound good
for Rap, or Metal, and will buy speakers appropriate for that type of
listening. The Paradigm's Brian originally considered (and may still
install?) happen to come from a manufacturer that, in my experience,
tends to go for the "slightly extended bass response, but otherwise
flat" realm, which makes them sound good on many kinds of music.
They're fun to listen to, but not as hyped as other cabs.
Specifically, JBL's version of home stereo speakers always sound zippy
to me... way to much high end. This makes them exciting to listen to,
but fatgue sets in quickly, at least for me.

The difference between a Distibuted system and a FOH system is this:
You have a big pile of decent sounding cabs at the front of a room.
When there's a band, it can sound very, very good. When there's break
music playing, there's no question where the music is coming from...UP
FRONT!

The system Brian suggested will provide small, point source locations
throughout the room. The idea is that as you move from one cab to the
next, the sound falls off and is picked up by the next cab. Mike has
maintained that these systems are difficult to install and set up. I
find that laughable... in my experience, they tend to sound very good
and require minimal setup time and effort. Three walks through the
room, with adjustments after each walk, and BAM... everything falls
into place. I guess he's such a screw up he wasn't able to get them
working correctly. Too bad for his myriad clients, I guess.

I haven't used the JBL PRX series, I just picked the PRX515's because the
specs looked good for a room that size. I have used other powered speakers
in small clubs, though I admit to preferring separate speaker and amps for
most applications.

Thank you for admitting your ignorance, Mike! Finally, some honesty.
You've never touched the set of speakers you touted so highly, and
have defended ever since. Ignoramous...

If you don't know how to design an FOH type system that will sound really
good for background music, then I'm a helluva lot more professional that you
are because I do.
If you were a professional, then how about some references?

Give me a ring, Mikey. I've offered to speak to you over the phone,
and my info is freely available with minimal effort. Heck, you've
already cut and pasted off my site... we all know you can google with
the best of them. I haven't heard from you, so your cowardice is quite
telling.

Still haven't seen any references (that can be checked) from you
either, smart boy.

You're totally full of ***, you have no idea what you're talking about,
and you don't know anything about me. Now you've gone and pissed me off. You
think you can move up the pecking order in AGB by putting me down, but one
thing is clear, you don't know what you're talking about, you never designed
an SR system that sounded good, or if you did get one to sound good it was
pure *** luck. You're "home speakers will work better because they sound
better at home" philosophy shows that you don't know *** about SR design
and application.

Oh, dear... I've pissed off the mighty and impotent Mike Rieves! lol

For the record, I have no interest in some AGB pecking order, Mike.
Every once in a while, someone comes along who gets my undies in a
bunch. You're him this year, I guess. Oh... and you've done (mulitple
times in this thread) exactly what you whine about the most: You've
paraphrased to your advantage what I've said. I haven't changed my
thoughts at any point in this conversation, Mikey! SR gear works great
for what it's designed for (when used properly) but in this case, I
agree with the original design parameters, which you didn't even
bother to read.

I have no "home speakers will work better because they sound better at
home" philosophy, Mikey. I have an "It's amazing what you can do when
you're willing to think outside the box" philosophy.

Home stereo speakers will not work in all situations. SR speakers will
not work in all situations. Studio Monitors will not work in all
situations. You're too stupid to admit that, but that's ok. Dumbass.

No, I'm a recording studio owner who happens to have a dayjob as an IT
Professional. I also play bass guitar, sing, run FOH, run lights, have
been a technical director on multiple professional theatrical shows,
design installed and regional sound systems, am a father, a husband
and a FPS gaming enthusiast.

And you know jack *** about SR systems,

LOL - right back at you, you tiny brained maroon! lol

It's interesting that you should say that. I'm STILL getting calls and
running FOH sound, while you're sitting at home trying to remember how
to play a few chords from your past. Golly, your opinion means so much
to me! LOL

I've run sound for lots of bands and artists, you're the poser, Corey and
your "letys use home speakers for nightclubs because home speakers sound
bvetter in the home that SR speakers do" shows your total ignorance about
sound reinforcement systems in larger rooms.

Okey dokey, pokey! er... Porkie!

And now I'm going to do to you what I did to the other know-it-alls who
think that I can't know more about anything than they do. have a nice life,
Corey
<PLONK>-

Well, if you REALLY actually kill-filed me, then good riddance! I
don't believe you though. You've lied far too many times, and
responded to too many others you supposedly kill filed.

For The Record: I'm almost positive there is something that Mike knows
MUCH more about than I do. I have no idea what it is, but it certainly
isn't sound reinforcement! lol

I retract my apology for calling you a dumbass. It seems a very
fitting description, in retrospect.

Corey
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