Re: Sound Installation Advice

On Nov 13, 10:38 pm, "Mike Rieves" <mr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You're a dumbass.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1197516

Of all the people who have bought these speakers, one guy complains about
this and lies about the speakers having a built-in noise gate, and you
believe him. You're the dumbass!

No, you're proving you can't read again, Mike. Even the tech support
person at JBL admitted there's a problem with the PRX series. Call
them and verify, if you'd like. Their phone number (and mine) are
easily available on the net, with a modicum of effort.

Dumbass.

So have I, but apparently, the difference is that I know how to make them
sound good under a wide variety of situations.

Yup. You're great. I've never made a FOH system sound good. Thanks!
All my repeat customers must be wrong!

I didn't try to force him, I just pointed out some advantages, and you're
welcome to think whatever you want.

I didn't try to force him either, Mike. You already know what I think
of you.

Nope, I'm allowing for all eventualities, a properly designed FOH type
system will meet or exceed all his requirements, including the possibility
of having bands at some point, which is mentioned as a possibility. The
system I suggested will cost no more, and probably less that a distributed
system, properly designed and set up, it will sound just as good as a
distributed system, and it will be considerably more versatile.

No you're not. You're designing a system that will look/feel/sound
like every other PA of it's type. Which, by Brian and the owner's
definition, is BAD. Because it IS bad, Mike. Can a good FOH system
sound amazing? Sure... but you will ALWAYS have places where you've
compromised Clean for Efficiency. I understand that... I truly don't
think you do.

As for your comments about having lots of experience installing
systems in clubs, well... I don't believe you, Mike. You may have
installed two systems, from what you've posted on here... but that
ain't 'Lots', as you claim in your post below.

From what you've posted, it's possible that you haven't installed even
one good system, if you don't think an FOH type system can't sound good for
background music in a small club.

Drop me a line. I'm perfectly willing to give you references. My email
is quite easy to find, as are links to references of my work.

I didn't say a FOH CAN'T sound good for background music. I said a
distributed system will sound better. You disagree. You're wrong. I've
installed both. I'm not sure you've done anything but been a hack FOH
engineer in marginal clubs, if even that.

Apparently, I understand more that you do, I understand that either system
will work well in the environment Brian is speakeing of and that the FOH
type system will be more versatile.

A FOH system in the room he's described will be exactly that, Mike: A
FRONT OF HOUSE SYSTEM... loud at the front, where BY THEIR PHYSICAL
NATURE ALONE the sound will be peaky and inconsistent. By crossing
over between a 15" driver and a 1" driver, you WILL have issues,
specifically in the vocal area. Even an 8" driver to a 1" driver will
have problems in this area... Is it workable, if you're willing to
sacrifice high quality sound? Sure... If your goal is efficiency, not
clarity.

I've mixed on just about every type of system you can name or
describe, Mike. I spend between 20-50 hours per week in my studio,
plus do at least 2-4 FOH gigs per month, RIGHT NOW, with current,
state-of-the-industry gear.

I GET what Brian is trying to do. You don't. Period. End of story...
stop your yapping. I also agree that the typical FOH-style system
you're suggesting will NOT provide what the owner wants, and what
Brian would like to see installed.

You make one good point (late in the game, as usual) about using the
system for JUST vocals... but, since I've actually USED a system in
the manner Brian's suggesting, I'd say it probably won't matter,
Mike.

The speakers I suggested may not be the right solution, but your one
and only suggestion isn't either.

You're not 100% positive, I think that the JBL's you suggest will work
just fine for background music, but you may need a lot more of them than you
think, unless the crowd at that club is much quieter and better mannered
than most folks who go to clubs to drink and party.

Mike, it's not a frigging sports bar. 8-10 of the boxes I suggested
will be louder than they'll ever need... but there are other boxes out
there. If they're not enough, it'll be pretty obivious fairly
quickly... and they can use something else.

Shut up and leave the argument, Mike. Your suggestion has been
evaluated and summarily dismissed. You're adding nothing to the
conversation, and neither am I, at this point. Now you're just
incredibly irritating... as usual.

Corey

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