Re: Will you buy Behringer equipment again after reading this?


"Brian Running" <brunning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I know exactly what I'm talking about, when I started in electronics,
nearly everything was tubes, and I've worked on tube audio circuits for
many years. As I've said before, you may be a damned good lawyer but you
don't know crap about electronics. I'm not misleading anyone, you're the
mis-informed one.

I do not believe, and will not believe, that you have any education
whatsoever past high school. You have shown very clearly in the past year
or two in this newsgroup what your level of education and experience is.
The fact that you may have built some Heathkits 35 years ago, which were
designed for inexperienced, untrained people to build and which came with
step-by-step instructions intended to be understandable by a 10-year-old,
doesn't mean you have an education. And the fact that you can Google
things and regurgitate the contents of web pages (you just did a little
research to confirm what you already knew -- oh yeah, sure, right) doesn't
mean jack. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if my high school and
college physics and engineering courses, and what I learned to get an FCC
amateur-radio license (plus building those same Heath and Dynaco kits
30-some years ago, as well as projects from scratch), gives me a much
better electronics background than you have.

Your'e as full of shit as Jim is, as I've said before, I got my initial
electronics training in the military (1968 -1971), and my MOS's were 23U20
Hike HiPAR and T-1 Simulator repair, and I was cross-trained and qualified
as 23N20, Nike Tracking Radar and Ballistics Computer repair. The "20" at
the end of my MOS numbers means I was qualified to troubleshoot and do
repair down to the individual component level. My training also included
digital logic circuitry (74xx series ICs) for a new mod to the HiPAR radar
which allowed it to automatically select the least jammed of the ten
channels it was capable of scanning. Since then, I've spent a lot of years
working in consumer, commercial, and industrial electronics, including a
stint teaching basic electronics and drafting courses at the local community
college.

But the fact is, even if you were an MIT professor and I were just some
old, unemployed doofus sitting on his computer all day, it wouldn't
matter. The fact is, you don't have a Behringer Ultragain mic pre. You
don't have a Peavey T-Max bass amp. You have no idea what they sound
like, how they work, or what their features are. Yet, you feel you can
lecture me about the specific attributes of those pieces of gear. I
actually have that Behringer mic pre, and have used it, and continue to
use it, frequently. I had a T-Max for years. While we're on the topic of
actual, real-life experience, I am also an actual bass player, who's been
performing in public in bands for almost 40 years, I'm not just someone
who fiddles around alone in his basement and then talks smart about bass
on Usenet.

I played in bands as a guitar player and as a bass player from the middle
sixties through the early seventies, so I do have some experience there too,
I've also run sound for bands, including at the Convoy Concert in Nashville
in 1976 where I ran sound for Charlie Daniels and Gene Cotton, among others.
I also worked for shops as factory authorized repair for Peavey, so I know a
bit about Peavey amps. The TMax has switchable tube and solid state channels
and will drive a 2 ohm load (500W), it has 7 band graphic EQ. I also know
that Peavey calls it the TMax, not T-Max. I'm not that familiar specifically
with the TMax but I do know that other Peavey amps with tube drive sections
also contained transistors. I don't own a Behringer Ultragain pre, but I do
know what they sound like because I auditioned one a while back when I was
looking for a mic pre.

The fact is, you can't hear any "tube warmth" in the Behringer mic pre.
You don't hear hard distortion in the solid-state pre in a T-Max, but you
do in the tube section, after running it hard for about two hours. These
are real-world, observed facts, of which you have no knowledge. If you
have no knowledge of those things, then you can't argue about them. But
you do.

You're not talking about all Peavey TMax amps, you're talking about one
specific TMax amp, and if you're hearing hard distortion in the tube section
after a couple of hours, you most likely have a problem with the amp,
possibly a bad tube. If you want to do a bit of research, you'll find that,
because tubes current limit when overdriven, they produce primarily even
order harmonic distortion which is less "hard" and harsh than the odd order
distortion produced by conventional solid state circuits. If you have a
schematic for your TMax, you may also find that the "tube" section contains
transistors as well as tubes.
BTW, in case you didn't know, any form of coloration in a signal, including
"tube warmth", is a form of distortion, and starved plate circuits tend to
increase the characteristic distortion of tubes, including the distortion we
call "tube warmth". Jim quoted text that called it a "caricature", that's an
apt discription in that the characteristics of tube circuits are exaggerated
in a starved plate circuits, just as specific facial features are
exaggerated in a caricature drawing of a person. that doesn't necessarily
mean that it's not a warm "tube" sound, it just means that the sound is
exaggerated. If you like tube warmth, you may well like it better in a
starved plate circuit because there's more of it.

Let me guess -- it's time to play the Alzheimer's card and exit stage left
again, right?

Nope, Alzheimer's has nothing to do with it, and I didn't exit after posting
about it, I'm still here and I still know more about electronics than you
ever will, if you weren't so damned ignorant about electronics, you'd
realize that.


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