Re: live sound question
- From: "Fletch" <geoffarnold@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 1 Aug 2006 09:17:50 -0700
suds mcduff wrote:
On 1 Aug 2006 04:37:53 -0700, "suds mcduff"
----I've been elected "sound man" for the pa set up in the band.
You loose a bet or something?
--------HaHa! The guitarist/sound man is moving and is taking his
equipment, so I bought a small board. So, now it's,"It's *your* board!"
wondering if I could use small practice amps as powered monitors
instead of buying passive ones.
That sounds like it would be a pain in the ass.
The singers say they just need to hear
---No, the venues are pretty small and everyone can hear the backline.
The board has 2 aux sends for passive monitors, but has c-r
outs for powered monitors in a recording situation. I was thinking I
could use at least one amp as a powered monitor out of the c-r out, as
the stages are quite small, and the peavy 2x10 we're using at practice
is too big.
Get the right tool for the job. Unpowered wedges and a power amp is
the most flexible. You could try the amp thing if it's something you
already have...heck, it might work for ya but I wouldn't spend a dime
to go that route.
---I was thinking of using one for the drummer, since the stage is so
You also might want to bring up the subject that the bass player and
guitar players bought amps why shouldn't the singers get the monitor
system they need....that should go over like gangbusters! Still, it's
----The guitarists and drummer *are* the singers.We did start with the
"buy your own monitor" rule, one guitarist has one, the other guy's a
"hired gun" so far, and the drummer's buying a power amp.
Cobbled together systems are going to cause you big problems. However,
you do what you have to do.
Just some sage advice for the future...
In owning a PA or Light system, it is often better to strive to create
a system that is uniform -- not necessarily from one manufacturer
(though Carvin is a good argument for that logic) -- but one that is
well considered and the components "matching" in compatibility areas.
I've been in bands where the PA and Lights were co-owned by more than
one member. The problem was that when they break up, the PA and Lights
are broken up into pieces where nobody has a functioning setup with
what they've walked away with.
The solution is that one person should own the lights, one person
should own the PA -- or the band should incorporate and the Corporation
now owns the PA and Lights and Transportation to haul it. Members
change, but the systems stay together.
In the Corporate solution, the purchase monies for gear is taken off
the top before members get paid. So from each gig, say 10% of the GROSS
or NET income is put into the kitty for expenses relating to the gear
and transport replacement, upgrade or repairs. Then the band gets paid
after other necessary expenses, like agent/manager fees, hall rental
(if it applies), etc.
If the Corporation disolves, the band breaks up and nobody is going to
carry on the company, then the gear is liquidated and the resultant
money distributed between the members. Or a member can take their "cut"
in gear and not cash equivalent.
Too often I've had to deal with replacing elements that walked away
with a departing member. That became too tedious and I rectified it by
simply owning all the gear.
In my current band, my bass player owns the PA. I own the studio gear.
The Lighting gear is still not resolved yet.
Yes, it is a hefty investment to own a whole PA or Light system or
Transportation. But if you are looking at making a living playing
music, you need to see it as just that, an investment in your career.
Too many musicians do not see their musical pursuits as a career -- a
business. The sooner this attitude changes within a musician, the
sooner they begin to see the difference between players who don't care
and players who are looking at the long term income/career/business
aspects of what they do.
We all want a good life. Some of us are willing to make sacrifices to
achieve that. Sometimes that means "growing up" and creating a viable
business plan and then making it a reality.
I've passed on many players because their attitudes were still in the
"sex and drugs and rock and roll" mentality. It didn't matter how good
they were, their reliability was in question. So I moved on to the next
Look at your situation and make a decision about how you want to
proceed. Buy the PA from the other members and take charge of it, and
upgrade it properly and in a timely fashion. Be patient and make wise
purchase decision, getting what you NEED. Upgrade later as you are
For example, a good monitor system, either wedged or in ear, can be had
for under a grand if you shop wisely. Like I said, Carvin has great
solutions and bullet proof gear. It is a good place to start.
And they have package deals that can save you some green.
The band will sound better for it. Take some instruction on how to mix
sound. Buy a wireless rig for your guitar so you can go into the room
and hear what the mix sounds like and still be playing your part.
Do what you have to do if you are serious about being a real musician
and not just a poseur or weekend warrior (though I've heard some WWW
bands that could kill many pro bands).
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