Re: Covers Bands and Originals Bands


coreybenson wrote:
> > ALSO another thing you might not realize as a bass player is that tube
> > amps feel very different to play than SS or modelling amps. I have
> > never felt that cranked thump in the back of my legs from an SS amp
> > like I have from a tube amp.
>
> Sorry, missed this one somehow...
>
> Played an SVT off and on for years... like my Eden/QSC setup better.
> Goes lower, gives a better back massage. NEXT!
>
> > One thing you can do on tube amps that
> > you can't do on modelling amps is generate feedback. As there is no
> > actual gain on a modelling amp (it's simulated gain), there's no
> > feedback.
>
> What a silly statement... I've heard plenty of people get feedback.
> It's NOT simulated gain Chris. It's preamp GAIN. I can tell that what
> you're talking about is plugging into a Pod, or some other unit,
> without ever using a speaker cabinet/amplifier. AGAIN, the combos
> sound like crap. Using them the way I've suggested (which many people
> who play them live do), you can most CERTAINLY get acoustic feedback.
> And, it sounds great.
>
> > How something "feels" to play is definetly going to affect
> > my playing.
>
> Play a better example is what I'm telling you to do. You haven't
> played a real modeling amp, set up correctly. A good tube amp does one
> job really well, maybe two or three (Triple Rectifier, etc.). A good
> modelling amp does 100+ things perfectly, all of the time, with little
> or no upkeep cost.
>
> I still dig a good sounding tube amp, and if all I have space for is a
> small combo, I'll take a 25-50 watt single 12" combo (Matchless, Bad
> Cat, Fender Deluxe, the Peavey Classic, etc., etc.).
>
> Oh, and you ARE trying to convince me my experience is flawed somehow,
> or you'd have stopped posting long ago. I freely admit I'm trying to
> open your eyes a bit... because I think you've totally missed the boat
> on a number of really cool subjects. I have this care-giver instinct
> that makes me want to show you how cool the real world is.
>
> Which is why I'm done with the subject once I can pry myself away from
> it...
>
> Corey

Corey

You can't get feedback from a modelling amp because there is no gain.
It's simulated gain.

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Michael Soldano:

And while much of my opinion is based on personal taste and aesthetics,
the one fact that supports my opinion more than any others is the fact
that playing these things just doesn't feel right. By that I mean that
the
modeled "amp" doesn't react to what you're doing on the guitar the same
way the real amp does. The high-gain amp model sounds like a high-gain
amp
(harmonic distortion, tone color, etc.), but it doesn't feedback or
have the same sensitivity as a real high-gain amp - because it doesn't
have any gain! It's digital - it can't clip like an analog amp. It's
all smoke and mirrors! You can model the sound, but gain is gain, and
without it the interaction between your hands on the strings, the
guitar's pickup(s), and speaker(s) all changes - as you already
experienced with your friend's AC-30.

Chris

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Relevant Pages

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