Re: Here's your shooter...



"RichL" wrote in message news:LYydnSGmJ8vabKjQnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The thing is, the Arizona shooting wasn't a consequence of statements of bozos like Angle, but it's not inconceivable that it COULD have been. Need I remind you that your initial post in the "Dem member of Congress shot" thread contained this:

How do we know this lunatic wasn't influenced by such rhetoric? He was active online and hung out on at least one website for political ranters and ravers, his own language echoes the rhetoric of the far-right, i.e. the current govt. passing treasonous laws--so how do we know his unbalanced mind wasn't influenced by such talk?

Personally, I like your idea in another post. Get the grownups to exert PRESSURE on the groups that FUND candidates. BIG pressure. First starting with the so-called "center-right" Republicans. Let them know that if they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

I would love to see every journalist who interviews Republican leaders in Congress for the next year and a half ask what they plan to do if in the next election cycle a candidate under the Republican banner talks about possibly needing "2nd Amendment remedies" or says something about if ballots don't work then bullets will. Make them answer the damn question too, keep asking it until they commit.

Yes, "more gun laws" by itself would be a one-dimensional solution. It's not the only thing I'd advocate, by a long shot.

Interesting thing with Vermont though, it's the exception, rather than the rule. One of the news shows I was watching the other night had an interesting comparison of the states with the highest PER CAPITA gun murder rates and the states with the most lax gun laws. BINGO. WINNER.

I'd love to see credible documentation on that. I don't trust either the NRA or the Brady Bunch when they spout statistics, but if there are more or less neutral sources which have analyzed that it's something I'd like to know. It's certainly in contrast to other evidence, like states which liberalized concealed carry laws seeing either no change in crime rates or a decline as opposed to the increase that some folks think should happen when there are more guns on the street.

The thing is, it's not a 100% correlation, so it's easy to pull Vermont out of the pile and say, "See?". Being from the Northeast myself, I would chalk it up to a greater civility exhibited by the region; all the New England states are pretty low on the per capita gun murder list.

Vermont demonstrates that gun ownership can't be pulled out of the pile and held up as the problem, that there are other factors like poverty and education and social breakdown that produce gun violence. Gaffer's tape solutions are always temporary, sooner or later that busted speaker cab has to be fixed, so I'd rather address underlying causes rather than slapping on more tape and hoping for the best.

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