Re: The Spy That Ran for President

Tony Elka wrote:
In article<4cb0fe94$0$14840$9a6e19ea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Les Cargill<lcargill@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tony Elka wrote:
In article<4cb0c159$0$5136$9a6e19ea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Les Cargill<lcargill@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

RichL wrote:

By the time of the lead-up to the war in Iraq (over a year after 9/11)
some of us (or at least ONE of us) had regained sufficient composure to
realize that the blood of Iraqis (and, yes, even that of Saddam) had
nothing to do with the "closure" sought as a result of 9/11.


Hmmm, well - check the list of Senate Democrats who voted to go.



Those Senators, AND the American people were lied to. Hence the support.

The George W. Bush administration conned us into the worst thing
humanity can do, going to war unnecessarily.

Tony

Which goes back to "it was a PR error". We're in circles here....

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Les Cargill


How do you get from conning us into an unnecessary war into just a P.R.
error?


For details, check the Victor Davis Hanson Book TV segment. He's
essentially saying that the PR error is precisely why people
feel they were conned. And I've stipulated to severe mistakes
in managing the thing once it was begun.

What I am doing here is a "what if" - had that mistake not
been made, I think we'd be having a very different debate
at the very least.

Bush/Cheney wanted the USA to go to war with Iraq and did whatever they
could to make that happen.

First it was WMDs and when they turned out to be non-existent, suddenly
we were nation building and spreading democracy. The exact sorts of
things conservatives normally oppose.

Tony

Conservatives and Neocons both participated in both nation
building and spreading democracy. You're free to disagree with them,
but that's not what the evidence (that I've seen) shows.

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Les Cargill
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