Re: God, Family, and Country

Voice of Reason wrote:
Do you people remember an old saying which basically asserted that
God, family, and country should be the three most revered things in
our lives? I remember that from childhood; perhaps, I read it on a
bumper sticker. As I grew into adulthood, the concept of honoring
those three things took on a different meaning for me.

Through education, I recall science replacing God as the place I
turned to find the answers to life's mysteries. In all honesty, I
wasn't raised in a religious home which made it very easy for me to
accept science into my life and feel confident that ultimate truth
could be found through scientific means. Then as I grew into
adulthood, I realized two things about family and country - both had
changed for the worse and in relation to one another. Stable families
weren't considered as important to the advancement of our culture as a
whole because the government had become even more intrusive in an
attempt to usurp familial ties in its effort to gain greater control
over the individual.

So, God was killed by science while the government killed the family
unit. I realize many scientists do not feel that belief in a deity and
scientific rationality are mutually exclusive; my comment about God
being killed by science relates more to the fact that many religious
claims have been successfully refuted by science which would make any
reasonable person question exactly how much faith in religion is
reasonable. As if that doesn't seem depressing enough on some level,
we aren't even supposed to be proud of our country anymore. Rather, we
are expected to be apologists on the world stage. I don't think we
should be proud of every chapter in our nation's history, but I don't
feel that we should have to show humility to prop up the national egos
of other nations that have failed to achieve great things. Country,
apparently, is also now dead. That is, unless you are willing to wring
your guilt-ridden hands and write checks to international charities to
in some way pay penance to other nations that underachieved. Actually,
you don't even have to write the checks yourself since our government
forcibly takes your money from you and hands it out as it sees fit in
the form of foreign aid. If you are willing to toe the new American
line, you are allowed to love your country by hating everything it
used to represent and has accomplished. But I digress. Many of the
aforementioned comments relate to my mindset which will differ from
those of many here. I am not interested in persuading anyone in these
matters. We can agree to disagree if that happens to be the case.

The point of this post is to ask a question about the scientific
community. I was reading through some of your arguments about the
global warming debate in light of the recent events concerning the
validity of some of the data collected by top experts in the field.
Maybe I feel more betrayed by manipulation in the applied sciences
than I do by deceitful acts committed by politicians because I simply
expect more from people who are trained to seek the truth for no other
reason than to bring further enlightenment and progress to humanity.

No such improper manipulation occurred.


Maybe I am more depressed by the fact that some in the scientific
community are willing to lower themselves and their entire field of
study rather than publish findings that do not prove what they would
hope to prove for political and social reasons. Maybe I am most
depressed by the fact that other scientists are not willing to
publicly condemn the crooks and liars who made a mockery out of the
very thing that they should hold most dear - the purity of scientific
research.

Other scientists did condemn them. So they stole those scientists' emails
showing that condemnation and pretended they had been the ones lying,
instead of the oil and coal funded crooks and liars.

It didn't work. Still zero fraud found in the CRU hack - except for that
perpetrated by AGW deniers.


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