Re: My ideas on the "crisis"

WillStG wrote:

You jumped in to defend the ethnocentrist and latently racist
views of your buddy,

Horsecrap, I expressed my beliefs, I didn't defend anyone. Your paranoia is
showing, Will.

you made no attempt to distance yourself from the
very foundations of his arguments,

You mean whatever twisted interpretations you applied to his arguments. You
must need a truck to haul around all those straw men you like to fight with.

you supported them, express no
regrets even now for doing so, but are hurt if anyone holds you
responsible for them?

Hurt? Do your worst sunshine, this is Usenet, nothing you say here can hurt
me in the least. Nor will I jump through whatever imaginary hoop you want
to hold up by claiming someone posted something which they did not and then
blaming me for failing to disagree with them.

If someone jumped in to defend the racist
arguments of a member of the Klu Klux Klan it would be the same
thing.

Absolutely perfect, if I'd asked you to demonstrate your inherent dishonesty
you couldn't have done a better job. Next stop on the predictability line:
Hitler.

Here's a hint sparky: Rich didn't post anything racist, and your desperate
attempts to pretend he did only make you look even less honest.

Next time, think before your knee jerks. Or stop using
sockpuppets.

Another lie, you really are kind of a crooked S.O.B., aren't you.

So you think paraphrasing the _Declaration Of Independence_ is
predictably arrogant and comedic? The words "We are endowed by our
Creator with certain unalienable rights...." just make you laugh?
This is what they taught you in PoliSci?

Right on cue, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

What is truly predictable is that you have so little regard for
the ideals our Democracy was founded on. So you think it hubris we as
Americans assume in our core founding ideals that God loves humankind,
wants us to be happy, and we have a right to seek that as his
creations?

Quote me, quote me expressing any such thought.

<crickets>

Oops, that's right, in your mind a quotation isn't what someone actually
said, it's what you want to pretend they said.

Well it is not, but that you find these ideals so foreign
to your being explains an awful lot about your lack of compassion and
condescending attitude - towards victims of genocide, among others.

Those same victims who were ignored by the U.S. govt. when Saddam was useful
as a weapon against Iran you mean, funny how you keep forgetting that part.

Yes, America is a nation founded on the concept of knowing what
God wants. God wants to end the excesses of the rule of tyrants and
wants to end man's inhumanity to man.

Sure, that's why Americans did such a good job wiping out as many American
Indians as they could, that's why they hung onto slavery for a century after
declaring all men were created equal, that's why they annexed the
Philippines and killed hundreds of thousand of people suppressing an
insurrection, that's why they've supported a long series of bloody-handed
dictators in places like Iran and Chile and Nicaragua and so on, that's why
they invaded Iraq looking for imaginary WMDs -- you have a highly selective
knowledge of American history, don't you.

Sorry to _so_ totally surprise
and blindside you with that. And the right to "Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness" is our birthright as Americans, and beyond that
as God's creations. The founders believed "We rise and fall by his
Providence".

Really the ignorance of history - American History - is your own.

I've read more history than you've had hot dinners, sport. Your broken-lens
view of American history is like something out of a comic book. Do yourself
a favor, put down the Captain America comic and widen your reading to
include the less attractive side of American history, because ignoring it
doesn't mean it didn't happen. America has a lot to be proud of, but some
to be ashamed of too, even if goofs like you prefer to ignore the parts of
the American story that aren't so nice.


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