Re: The gators got yer granny - chomp chomp

On Mar 24, 12:55 pm, WillStG <will...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 24, 10:54 am, "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"WillStG" <will...@xxxxxxx> wrote

On Mar 23, 12:42 pm, "Stephen Cowell" <scow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree completely! A faith in Atheism would indeed
be a hard thing to maintain... true, blind Faith is very
hard to maintain. However, an Atheist, not having
faith, is under much less logical strain than any believer.

    -  Atheism may not require a totally blind faith, but simple
belief there is a Creator does not either.

Let's define it this way:  either simple belief in no creator, or
simple belief in creator.  Who posits the Creator?  

    Steve. Einstein looked at the _Physical Universe_ - which he
arguably understood in greater detail than the greater mass of
humanity ever will -  and posited from what he *observed* that the
Universe was an intentional creation. The argument that the Universe
is a random, accidental existence was unacceptable to him
intellectually, given the order, complexity and uniformity that
exists. This was not a question of faith or religion, he merely felt
intellectually the preponderance of the evidence supported no other
conclusion; the Universe was created and is an expression of mind.
And the beauty of the Universe also filled him with a sense of awe and
wonder which moved and inspired him.

    You are of course, free to draw your own conclusions and find your
own source of inspiration.

Atheism does require faith
though, because you can't prove a negative.

You just proved you weren't dead!  Try again...

    You're trying to be clever again.

Yes, basically it's nice to believe in a big daddy... but
the wonders of Nature and the Universe are better appreciated
scientifically if you're searching for order and organization.
Our particular universe, for instance, is hospitable to DNA
and life.  Most others would not be... slight fudging of stuff
like the electric charge would net you something absolutely
unlike what you see here, where matter can form stuff easily.
If this had happened, we would not be here arguing over it.

    "Big Daddy"?  Einstein was a Deist, and is often quoted as saying
he did not believe in a "Personal God", rather he believed in
Spinoza's God.  So how does that a nice, comforting, superstitious
belief in a "Big Daddy" make?  That was not Einstein's point at all,
and neither has it been mine in this discussion.  And in fact Einstein
said religion was not necessary for man to act ethically, he felt
sympathy, education, social ties and needs were sufficient; a fear of
punishment in the afterlife was he opined was a poor way to restrain
people from behaving badly.

    Much of what you have been arguing has little or nothing to do
with what I have actually been saying Steve.

Will

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