Re: OT: To be a Republican

On Feb 28, 2:46 am, "Elvis Kabong" <ampscie...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Feb 26, 12:27 pm, "Ross" <brow5...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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The rich would keep doing what made them rich
in the first place,

I assume that you mean, exploiting the powerless?

Freedom is power.

Nope, money is power.

This ancient argument holds no water at all... talk about tired...

Class warfare is what is really tired. Let's punish people for working
hard and well. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

No one is complaining about anyone working hard.
It's the lying, cheating and exploiting of human labor and use of
wealth to bully or bribe lawmakers into catering to the
wealthy's whims to secure their stature along with *assured* profits.





and the poor would keep doing what made them poor.

Such as, being born into poor families and being unable to get an
education?

Now you're sandbagging. You know perfectly well. Such as dropping out of
school, having babies they can't afford, choosing to use illegal drugs,
joining gangs, buying houses they can't afford, etc, etc, etc.

This myopic view that everyone can "make it" in America if they just
"work hard" is a myth.  Americans are currently working their asses
off and falling further and further behind, as their pensions are
stolen, their houses lose value, their currency becomes more worthless
everyday, and the basic costs of living zoom upward.

Too many contrary examples to take this point seriously. America has the
world's only fat poor people. The 'poor' you're crying about have big
screen TV's, cars, their own homes, cell phones, and 150% more personal
living space than 'middle class' Europeans. It's hard for me to be
sympathetic with those who choose buying expensive electronics over making
the mortgage payment.

Shit! The government should take their street lights away, stop having
cops patrol their neighborhoods and not bother to send firemen to
put out their burning houses, not repave their streets, cut off the water
mains, their power and telephone lines and especially their cable TV!





You'd
just have to go through a terrible period of very low production until
society re-settled into its natural strata, income-wise. When you put
the
"...best interests of society..." ahead of the best interests of the
individual, you start getting into Lenin/Mao/Hillary land.

Uh, thanks for the (commie) red flag, but I don't think so.  There are
many systems in Europe that are democratic/socialist in nature (hell,
even Canada) and they seem to have many less problems than the US
does.

Like Sweden, the golden utopia of socialism, whose economy has not created
any net nre jobs in 40 years? Like Germany and France, whose unemployment
is higher than ours, and who are so sick of it that they've elected
leaders who are more to the right?

Our nation is
great because the gov't stayed out of the way of individuals, not
because it
tried to fix everybody.

Really... most of what you take for granted in this country (40 hour
work week, mandatory K-12 education, workers right to organize,
workers safety, the banning of child labor, etc etc) was mandated by
government legislation.  Because without regulation, capitalism tends
to eat its young.

As oppoed to socialism/fascism/communism, whose young are stillborn?

The Nanny state would be the destruction of the USA.

It already IS the nanny state, for corporations, or haven't you been
paying attention.  The biggest breaks are given to the people who need
them the least.  The bailouts, the tax breaks...

Agree that there should be no bailouts for corporations. All the lenders
who lied to customers should go belly up. I'm more against corporate
welfare than individual welfare.

And, by the way, the rich do not get ahead at everyone else's expense.

Prove it.  In the last couple of decades the nations wealth. has been
sucked up to the top few % of the wealthiest Americans.

The middle class has gotten smaller. Where did they go? The lower class
has stayed the same, and the upper class has increased. Plus, the 'poor'
are not the same people over time. In five years, 50% of those in
'poverty' have climbed out. Maybe they weren't poor. Maybe they were just
out of school, working their first job. Maybe a lot of them.

Keyword: "maybe".







The
economy is not a zero-sum system. If I achieve more, it takes nothing
away
from you. It just means I spend more - creating more jobs - and hire
more
people - creating more jobs.

This is the Reagan "trickle down" theory and it's complete bullshit.
What we have seen since his presidency is greater and great inequality
of income, which now at a level unseen for a century.

Are you really asserting that the economy is a zero-sum system? When the
expansion of the economy slows down, it's called recession. When it
contracts, it's called depression. There has been no decade in which the
American economy has posted a net reduction in the last century. Of course
it expands. To deny that would be like denying the presence of the sun in
the sky. The economy expands, therefore it is not a zero-sum system. My
slice of the pie can get larger without taking away from you.

Some people think it's a tug of war, but we're
actually all pulling in the same direction.

You are an absolute idiot if you think that Exxon is pulling in the
same direction as I am.

Buy stock in Exxon, like hundreds of thousands already have. Under Bush,
over half of America households own stock, for the first time in history..
Home ownership is at an all-time high.

Actually, the top 20% in income
are responsible for 40% of consumer spending.

Prove this claim.

You're throwing out claims right amd left. How much do you think the top
20% spend?

The 'evil rich' are the main
engine that drives the economy.

Of course, the American consumer has nothing to do with it.  Where do
you get this stuff?

The American consumer has everything to do with it. Who do you suppose
consumes the most?

Libertarianism -- the philosophy that attempts to justify selfishness.

Call it what you want. Some call it the protestant ethic. Others call it
enlightened self-ineterest. The clear truth is that people don't work as
well for other folks' kids as they do for their own. Nothing you can say
is gonna feel bad for trying to provide well for my family.

Socialism -- the philosophy that attempts to make you a villain for trying
to make something of yourself.

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Listen to this naive young (one can only hope) guy...

As IF those at the very, very top --those Bush & Co. have been taking
care of-- are Western society's "hard workers".

Having money in America is freedom. Everyone else is a slave- it's the
nation's oldest denial game. Doesn't matter WHAT
system is in force...there will ALWAYS be the super haves and the
super have nots. THE amusing thing- for different reasons, each is
almost 100% ignorant of the other's life plight and situation.

I wrote this on 3/01...

www.spark-online.com/march01/miscing/mulay.html
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