Re: "It's just bloody text jousting!"


"Tony Novacheck" <lostpup198@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Elvis Kabong" <ampscience@xxxxxxxxxxxx> excreted in news:cMxUi.8142
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I can only conclude that you have been so thoroughly brainwashed,
programmed, indocrinated and now so obstinately biassed, there is
really no hope for you to exhibit *any* impartiality and you will
*never* be able to see the entire picture with *any* semblance
of an overall perspective. And that is borderline fanatical and fanatics
are loonies. See you, Otona bin Novaladin.

Precisely my thoughts about you, my friend. How do we get over this hump?
I tell you what ... you can have California, New York, New Orleans, and
Washington (state and district). We get the rest. If you have an
argument
with that, I suggest you try to talk your fellow liberals into start
believing in the Second Amendment. If you don't, it would be a very short
civil war, if it ever came to that. And my fears are that it looks like
the country is headed in that direction. Don't misconstrue that into what
I want, because it's not ... but it is what it looks like might happen.

--T

Hey! I'm all for *all* of Our Bill of Rights! But you and your
fellow conservatives don't seem to give a damn about the
Fourth, the Sixth, and Eighth Amendments. And since that is
the case, you and your ilk should go to some other country
where there is a dictatorial monarch.

And if it does come to a civil war, you can thank the divisiveness
and polarization of Rash Limp***, Snoot Stinkwitch and
Ronnie Realdumb who started calling the majority of the population
"America-haters, traitors, unpatriotic and commies." Not only that,
but those chickenhawks had their hands in Constitutional shredding too.

Some relevant quotes:


"The only answer to organized money is organized people." ~Bill Moyers

"Thank God our time is now when wrong
Comes up to face us everywhere.
Never to leave us till we take
The longest stride of soul we ever took." ~Christopher Fry

"A little patience (and action), and we shall see the reign of witches pass
over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight,
restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the
meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a
war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes
against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall
have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is
a game where principles are at stake." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1798

"No one man can terrorize a whole nation unless we are all his accomplices."
~Edward R. Murrow

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in
the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of
tyranny." ~James Madison

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." ~Thomas Jefferson

"An elected despotism is not the government we fought for." ~Thomas
Jefferson

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government
when it deserves it." ~Mark Twain

"The only effective restraint upon executive policy and power in the areas
of national defense and international affairs may lie in an enlightened
citizenry -- in an informed and critical public opinion which alone can here
protect the values of democratic government." ~Justice Potter Stewart,
writing in 1971 Pentagon Papers decision.

"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the
comprehension of the weak, and that it is doing God's service, when it is
(really) violating all His laws." ~ John Adams

"Remember, all that Hitler did was legal in Germany at the time." ~Martin
Luther King, Jr.

"The provision of the Constitution giving war-making power to Congress was
dictated, as I understand it, for the following reasons: Kings had always
been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally,
if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This our
convention understood to be the most oppressive of all kingly oppressions,
and (thus), they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man
should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us." ~Abraham
Lincoln, in a letter to his friend and law partner William H. Herndon (15
February 1848)

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists, and will persist." ~Dwight Eisenhower's Farewell
Address

"The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to
poison the channels of public information. With a fascist, the problem is
never how best to present the truth to the public, but rather how best to
use the news to deceive the public." ~Former Vice President Henry A.
Wallace, New York Times

"I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults because I think a General
Government necessary for us, (but it) could end in despotism, as other forms
have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need
despotic government, being incapable of any other." ~Benjamin Franklin
speaking, September 17, 1787, about the Constitution

"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God." ~Thomas Jefferson (Motto
on his seal)

"The healthy man does not torture others - for generally, it is the tortured
who turn into torturers." ~Carl Jung

"The practice of arbitrary imprisonments, (has) been, in all ages, (one of)
the favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny." ~Alexander
Hamilton, Federalist Paper 84

"Torture is unlawful under the laws of this country. It is not what this
country is all about. It is not what this country stands for. It's
antithetical to everything this country stands for." ~MICHAEL B. MUKASEY,
President Bush's nominee for attorney general.

"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent
encroachment by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
~James Madison

"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by
parts." ~Edmund Burke

"Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic. But will they keep it, or will
they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material
abundance without character is the surest way to destruction." ~Thomas
Jefferson

"Government is not reason and it is not eloquence. It is force! Like fire,
it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it
be left to irresponsible action." ~George Washington

"It is easy to be 'brave' when far away from danger." ~Aesop

"The nobility of the soldier willing to give a life for country and God
lies silent and still amidst the broken promises of leaders.
Send them not to futile sacrifice on shores so far from home.
But keep your word to all that serve that none shall die in vain."
~ a poem by Rich Raitano, a brother Vietnam medic

"Reason has never failed men. Only force and repression have made the wrecks
in the world." ~William Allen White

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." ~Winston Churchill

"Let America realize that self-scrutiny is not treason. Self-examination is
not disloyalty." ~Richard Cardinal Cushing

"Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is
also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the
flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as
strong." ~James Bryce

"Only Americans can hurt America." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely, or
to think sanely, under the influence of a great fear." ~Bertrand Russell

"If America ever passes on as a great nation, we ought to put on our
tombstone: America died from a delusion she had Moral Leadership." ~Will
Rogers

"We Americans have no commission from God to police the world." ~Benjamin
Harrison

"We need a type of patriotism that recognizes the virtues of those who are
opposed to us. We must get away from the idea that America is to be the
leader of the world in everything. She can lead in some things. The old
"manifest destiny" idea ought to be modified so that each nation has the
manifest destiny to do the best it can - and that without cant, without the
assumption of self-righteousness and with a desire to learn to the uttermost
from other nations." ~Francis John McConnell

"Laws are the sovereigns of sovereigns." ~Louis XIV

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable." ~John F. Kennedy

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence
of our friends." ~Martin Luther King Jr., "The Trumpet of Conscience," 1967

"Riots and demonstrations are the voices of the unheard." ~Martin Luther
King Jr.

"The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions
in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas -- uncertainty,
progress, change -- into crimes." ~Salman Rushdie

"We must free ourselves of the hope that the sea will ever rest. We must
learn to sail in high winds." ~Hanmer Parsons Grant

"The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live, and fear
breeds repression. Too often sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to
freedom of the mind, are concealed under the patriotic cloak of
anti-(terrorism)." ~Adlai Stevenson

"Liberalism is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right which the
majority concedes to minorities, and hence, it is the noblest cry that has
ever resounded on this planet. It announces the determination to share
existence with the enemy; more than that, with an enemy which is weak."
~Jose Ortega Y Gasset

"Do not ever say that the desire to 'do good' by force (or chicanery) is a
good motive. Neither power, lust, stupidity (nor arrogance, nor vanity) are
good motives." ~ Ayn Rand

"It is easy to take liberty for granted when you have never had it taken
from you." ~M. Grundler

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
~Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired,
signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Our ideas and aspirations --- were crushed. Sometimes we were crushed by
army tanks, and sometimes we were crushed by think tanks. And by think
tanks, I mean the people who are paid to think by the makers of tanks."
~Naomi Klein, author of "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster
Capitalism"

"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged,
and it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air,
however slight, lest we become victims of the darkness." ~Justice William O.
Douglas

"The sinews of war: a limitless supply of money." ~Marcus T. Cicero

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor,
from sleeping under bridges,begging in the streets, and stealing bread."
~Anatole France

"Before honor is humility." ~Bible

"The people have a right to the truth as they have a right to life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness." ~Epictetus

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess freedom,
yet fail to act - they are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
They want rain without thunder and lightning, they want the ocean without
the awful roar of its many waters... power concedes nothing without a
demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will
submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrong which
will be imposed upon them." ~Frederick Douglass

"They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty
guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the
spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward
which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that,
using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously,
they may keep the common man in eternal subjection." ~Henry Wallace, former
V.P. of the United States

Franklin D. Roosevelt said he didn't "want to see a single war millionaire
created in the United States as a result of (World War II);" Harry Truman
equated war profiteering with Treason, and Dwight D. Eisenhower warned that
the military/industrial complex had the potential to "endanger our liberties
and democratic processes."

"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt." ~H. L. Mencken

"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by
the oppressed." ~Martin Luther King Jr. (Letter from Birmingham Jail)

"A great revolution is never the fault of the people, but of the
government." ~Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

"I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so
unlike your Christ." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"There's always more to it. This is what history consists of. It's the sum
total of all the things they aren't telling us." ~Don DeLillo
"How long will they kill our prophets while we stand aside and look?" ~Bob
Marley

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities." ~Voltaire

"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and it is shameful to
surrender it too soon or to the first comer." ~George Santayana

"It would be easy for us (America), if we do not learn to understand the
world and appreciate the rights, privileges, and duties of all other
countries and peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the
world that fascism did." ~ Ernest Hemingway

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it." ~Upton Sinclair

In the imaginary world Orwell described in 1984, the word "doublethink"
meant (paperback page 32) "To know and not to know, to be conscious of
complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold
simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, know them to be
contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to
repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was
impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget,
whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again
at the moment it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and,
above all to apply same process to the process itself . . . ." ~George
Orwell
"War is peacefreedom is slaveryingnorance is strength." ~George Orwell

"They must find it difficult... those who have taken authority as the truth,
rather than truth as the authority." ~Gerald Massey

"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." ~Upton Sinclair

"No man is entitled to the blessing of freedom unless he be vigilant in its
preservation." ~Gen. Douglas MacArthur

"Honor to the soldier and sailor everywhere, who bravely bears his country's
cause. Honor also to the citizen who cares for his brother in the field, and
serves, as best he can, the same cause." ~Abraham Lincoln


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