Re: Rich K's "Let all students carry guns"

"Rich Koerner" <richk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4640FE93.4C921C75@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

With respect to public safety, you're prepsoterous to the higher level.

Two problems here Rich, the first is the grammar, and the second is that
your jokes/insults tend to be so indecipherable that we're never sure what
the hell they mean.

To fly a plain what?

Typo.

Yeah, that was a cheap shot, we all hit the wrong keys at times, I
apologize.

Yet, there isn't and issue of Flying Magazine that doesn't remind the
reader of the safety risks in
flying airplanes.

Car magazines to this???????

What of the firearm magazines like the American Rifleman?????

Umm, are you suggesting that car magazines and gun magazines don't push
safety?

Oh, now we're back to safety.

Does that mean you're not going to explain what those mangled sentences
actually meant?

There might be some car magazines that don't care much about safety
(X-treme Street Rodz or something), but I can't recall ever seeing a gun
magazine that didn't take that subject seriously.

Look up SCCA, and get their license.

Uh, what does that have to do with the paragraph you're responding to?
Rich, I swear, at times having a conversation with you is like talking to
someone who is answering questions from someone else on the phone, I'm never
sure if you're talking to me or to the other guy.

Then, talk to me about SCCA driving knowledge and skills.

??? Again, what does that have to do with the subject at issue, namely
licensing for average members of the public? Do you want everyone who
drives a car to be trained and certified like a racer? How do you plan to
pay for that?

Ninety percent of all small aircraft crashes are found to be the result
of
pilot error, so how rigorous are those licensing requirements again?

And, the airline and military pilots are no different????

Wait, you just praised SCCA with its much tougher standards, but now you're
suggesting that highly trained military and airline pilots might have the
same crash rates as private pilots with basic training. Aren't you mixing
up your message a bit here?

Here, for a reality check,
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=airplane+crashes&search=Search

??? And all that is supposed to mean exactly what?

Next time you go on a mission to the store in your car, file all the
nessary requirements as if you
wanted to fly to the store. File that flight plan, get the weather
updates for the route, do the
pre flight inspection, review all the past maintainance records, etc.,
etc.......

No comparison dude.

Two things, dude. First, you didn't answer the question(s). Second, what
you're really talking about is the relative difficulty of flying vs. driving
and the consequences of things like mechanical failure or bad weather
typically being more serious at 20,000 feet than on Elm Street. Once again
Rich, why do you so often answer a question about apples with information
about oranges?

Do you actually need
training to become a pilot, or do you just have to pass the test?

Duh.

No real answer huh? Don't know if it's possible to challenge the private
pilot's exam? Neither do I BTW, but you're the one presenting himself as an
expert.

Go for your SCCA license and then talk to me about this joke we have that
allows all those death by
auto statistics to become sociably acceptable today in this country.
We've gotten used to the high
death rates on the nation'a road ways every year.

I largely agree, I think standards for getting a DL are too low, I'd like to
see them raised.

Would you like to go out on the road with me in a real setup driving
machine?

A little Mazda or MG-B would do fine, to make the point.

Pffft, a trip in my wife's bullet-car is excitement enough for me thanks.
Besides, you'd probably have two or three loaded weapons on you permit or no
permit, you Jersey guys all think you're in a Sopranos episode.

So, on the issue of public safety, how do those death by auto numbers
campared to the numbers of
those killed by the hand of the responsible firearm owner?

It's a no brainer.

??? Again, what is this question supposed to mean? Many tens of millions
of people travel by car every day in this country, naturally many of them
are killed and injured in accidents, it's a question of volume, it's common
sense. What does that have to do with firearms which for the most part are
not in use every day? Apples and oranges again Rich, apples and oranges.

You still don't make a case for anything. Except for typing skills.

Hello, hello, are you talking to me or the other guy on the phone?

Try to get behind the wheel on a national or international santioned
sports car race with your
state's driving license.

NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??? And this is related to a point about CCW exactly how. . .?

Plenty of plains/planes do fall from the sky, they fly into hills (or
apartment buildings in NYC) or hit power lines or get into bad weather
and
so on. I wonder what the ratio is, what percentage of licensed pilots
crash
as opposed to drivers?

Duh. You really don't know when a no brainer sits in front of you.

In other words you don't have an answer to this question either.

If that trooper that was driving our govenor around had an SCCA license,
the Gov would not have been
placed at risk in the first place.

CASE CLOSED.

Hey, Mr. Case Closed, how do you know he doesn't? Do you know what kind of
training he did have? Have you never seen highly-trained people turn around
and do something stupid despite their training, have you never seen someone
look the other way on a safety issue because his boss tells him to shut up
and do as he's told? And don't you suppose the lack of a Gubernatorial
seatbelt and the failure of the airbags to deploy might have had something
to do with the Governor's injuries?

You'd think pilots would be safer per capita, I
wonder if they really are?

They are.

Oh, so you have statistics to quote, cool, what are they, where's the link?

<crickets>

Gosh, you mean that was just your opinion?

Many more people travel by automobile than travel by aircraft, naturally
the
result is more getting killed in cars, duh.

NO DUDE. The DUH is on YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, because you say so, as opposed to because you can back up your
opinion with something more substantial that your usual all-caps rant.

The mass marjority couldn't get 10% close of what is required for an SCCA
license.

Which, includes your ass.

??? And once again, so what, what does that have to do with real life where
most of us live?

TWO distinct seperate issues.

And you have nothing to contribute on either one?

The point is, it's the quality of the license program itself, that
determines the end result.

Perhaps, but doesn't it make sense that most people wanting a pilot's
license are probably not drug-using inner-city gang members to begin
with?

That may be a factor. But, it's not THE factor.

Sure, I agree, tougher DL requirements would probably reduce the accident
rate.

If you're drawing from a pool of educated, responsible taxpayers who can
afford something as expensive as a private aircraft (thanks to trial
lawyers
for driving up the cost), aren't you more likely to get people who will
take
what they're doing seriously?

Income and/or advantage should absolutely a thing to do with any of this
dialog on public safety.

Are we living on the same planet? If things like education and economic
opportunity are clearly related to problems like crime, why would you expect
them not to have an impact on an issue like traffic safety?

It has every thing to with individual responsibility, training, knowledge,
skill levels, etc... no
matter what the task is that relates to public safety.

Right, and someone from a broken home with a seventh-grade education and a
criminal record probably doesn't care too much about your SCCA training,
he's more concerned about finding the money for gas. So what's the plan,
just announce that a third of the drivers in the county are SOL, no more
license because they can't pass an advanced elitist test?

That's the practical rational view. Not the limited view you have.

You couldn't even describe what my view is, you're so busy with your
all-caps blustering you don't have time to think about the other person's
point of view. You start with the assumption that they're wrong and by a
miracle that's where you finish too.

Works for Vermont. Works for me.

Which takes us back to education and economic opportunity and so on, it
works in Vermont because they don't have a lot of unemployed inner-city
youth with no future and nothing better to do than gang-bang.

You can get little electronic converters Rich, they'll tell you how many
pounds in a kilogram and so on, it really shouldn't be too tough for
someone
with a technical background to figure out.

OK, so a pinch of salt is how much.

Are you under the impression that cooks in the rest of the world have metric
fingers so a pinch of salt is a different amount than it is in the U.S.?
Gawd you're funny sometimes Mr. K., even if you aren't trying to be.

Do we have metric spoons to replace a teaspoon and tablespoon?

How do you suppose the rest of the world cooks? Do you figure they don't
use recipes because they don't have metric measuring spoons so what they
hell, they just wing it?

Just another part of our American culture hit the shit can for the new
world order. Screw dat!!!!!

If your identity as an American relies on something as silly as being just
about the last place on earth not using the metric system then the country
is in worse shape than I thought.

I'm wait for some bright minded ass hole to come up with the metric clock
for telling time.

And music and electronics too, you'll have to learn about decabars and
kilohertz. Oh wait, you already had to learn about one of those, didn't
you. Or do you refuse to recognize kilohertz as a unit of measurement?
LOL.

It's more than that. There is the cost to re-tool a total manufacturering
industry the was
previously doing just fine for itself. But those with the new global
world order thought it would
serve to promote USA exports in the world market place.

YEAH Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you think it makes more sense to make products in two versions, one
domestic and one for export? Or do you think the rest of the world should
go out and buy SAE wrenches etc. so they can have the privilege of buying
American products? Gosh, maybe they'll decide to buy something else so they
can use the tools they already have huh? Probably doesn't matter anymore,
other than raw materials, food and data, what does America export these days
anyway? Oh, some guitars, sure.

More like, I'm not in step with the majority's parade of Polished Turds.

See, that's part of the problem Rich, you substitute slogans for insight.
You think you're maintaining higher standards and all you really are is
stubborn. Nobody in photography has any problem with the metric system, if
you ask me to hand you that 300mm lens I know exactly which one you want,
aint' it amazing how that works?


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