Re: How to Lower U.S. Firearm Murder and Suicide Rates

On Apr 20, 1:06?pm, TD Madden <tdmadden48...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Goldfinger Myth

If a bullet were to penetrate a pressurized airplane, the passengers
would not be sucked out the windows from "explosive decompression." That
is a persistent urban myth originating with the 1964 movie, Goldfinger,
starring Sean Connery as James Bond.

Airplanes already have holes. Air is constantly pumped into... and out
of... the plane. (Otherwise, the passengers would suffocate.) The size
of the hole (the "outflow valve") depends on the size of the plane, but
it is a big hole. A 9mm/.357 caliber bullet makes a hole with an area of
1/10th of a square inch. (Area = pi R squared.) The effect of a bullet
hole on cabin pressure is not enough to be measurable.

Explosive decompression only occurs with huge holes. In 1986, a bomb
blew a 20-square-foot hole in a TWA 727 over Athens, and 4 passengers
were killed. In 1988, an 18-foot section of the roof came off an Aloha
Airlines 737 mid-flight, and one flight attendant was killed. (Both
planes landed safely.)

If the Goldfinger Syndrome were true, the Airline Pilots Association
would not have voted to arm pilots, and the FAA would not be talking
about armed sky marshals.

It's a myth, OK? It was just a movie.

Outflow valves are over a square foot on the 737, up to two square feet
on the 757, and so on. You can lose three windows and still keep the
cabin pressurized.

Testimony
On 8 May 2003 during hearings on the Federal Flight Deck Officer
Program, Dan Graves of Oviedo, Florida, a DC-8 First Officer for
Airborne Express, and Executive Director for the Coalition of Airline
Pilots Associations, testified before the House Subcommittee on Aviation:

[O]ur opponents claim that a bullet piercing the pressure vessel of the
aircraft will cause a catastrophic loss of the hull. There's simply no
evidence to support these claims. In fact, the Israelis have had a
number of incidents where terrorists have discharged small arms in the
cabins of their aircraft without causing catastrophic damage to the
airframe. A study by Boeing aircraft agrees. It found that one or
numerous small caliber rounds piercing the vessel would not cause a
catastrophic loss.

Now people aren't about to stop perpetrating that old "Goldfinger"
fiction overnight, but with the facts presented to them, the myth can
ultimately be put to rest.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You've just eloquently pointed out why individuals stupid enough to
believe in the "Goldfinger Myth" tend to keep at least one finger in
their ass at all times. To them, the world seems a threatening and
terrifying place -mostly because the parasite eating their brain since
birth has created such a skull vacuum, explosive self-decompression
could happen at any moment. They've been known to type anti-mvm
manifestos in fits and starts because with both hands
on the PC keyboard, that giant sucking sound coming from just behind
their tiny sack begins
to vibrate the chair so violently, the screen loses visual acuity.
Quickly, they insert a thumb and with their free hand, they flip on
cable TV to drown out the moment's horror with some soothing "pro"-
wrestling. :-) mvm

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