Re: OT: Re: 4-16-07 V. Tech Massacre


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I think I see a hurricane coming ed, might want to leave now.

Hurricane? Your ass.

So you pick up a rock. You now claim it's yours.
Some piece of paper you signed validates that?
Guess you never saw "Outlaw Josey Wales".

Well, I've heard from so-called American/Christian preachers that this land mass
was founded upon Christian principles.
I can see some Biblical principles in the Federal, State and City, County laws,
but the only foundation I see about this country is land theft, treaty breaking with
the native inhabitants, attempted genocide of the natives and the repression of their
culture, which was followed by slavery, segregation and continuining racism, and only
allowing
white male property onwners the right to vote. This does not sound very Christlike to me
in the least, but that was the historical reality when this country was first invaded by
and taken over by our European ancestors.

And now we have this petty bigoted thing about insisting that the immigrants speak
"English"?
Usually, the first generation is too old and set in their ways to learn it, but they
usually send
their offspring to American public schools and their children are usually anxious to
learn
our "offical" language which should be native American Injun, but it is actually already
a mixture of
English, French, German, Spanish, Yiddish, Latin, etc. words and phrases. I can tell. I
live near
a predomintly Vietnames community. The old folks can barely speak English if at all, but
their
children are VERY fluent in speaking English.





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OK, but *do* they? I would imagine not, otherwise we would have
heard
about it? All of mankind is capable of causing great harm to their
neighbors, but very few actually do. In a sense, I guess this
implies
that most of us are moral beings. The fact that a disproportionate
number in the US commit these acts indicates, IMHO, deep problems
with
our society. Improved gun control is *part* of the solution, but
thinking it's a cure-all is unrealistic.

"Disproportionate?" The U.S. has a disturbingly high murder rate, but
in
large part it is centered on the illegal narcotics trade, young black
and
hispanic males are the perpetrators (and victims) who skew the rates
upward
as a result of shootings associated with gangs and drugs. That
doesn't
mean
they don't count, but it does suggest that the rest of the population
should
not be punished for the actions of violent criminals.

As for 'fixing' the problem with new gun laws, Brazil has much
stricter
gun
control laws than the U.S. yet a much higher murder rate (like two
and
half
times higher), while Switzerland has a firearm in almost every home
and
yet
has a very low murder rate, so it would seem that laws prohibiting
the
presence of firearms do not equate to low murder rates. Japan has
some
of
the strictest gun laws on the planet and yesterday the mayor of a
Japanese
city was shot to death. Canada has much harsher gun laws and yet
school
shootings happen there too and RCMP officers raiding a pot farm not
too
long
ago were ambushed and murdered. Overall Japan and Canada of course
have
lower murder rates than the U.S., but there are economic and cultural
reasons for that. Canada already had a low homocide rate before their
most
recent firearms legislation, ditto with Australia and Britain, and
yet
high-profile mass shooting cases in those countries resulted in
harsher
laws
as a knee-jerk response to the acts of lunatics.

Could the U.S. effectively reduce violence with improved firearms
laws?
Sure, there are lots of commonsense provisions that wouldn't bother
me a
bit, but let's not pretend that the more rabid advocates of
tightening
laws
will ever be content with commonsense provisions, their ultimate goal
is
similar to the draconian laws in places like Australia or Britain. So
far
the majority is reluctant to go there, when Mass. had a ballot
measure
to
outlaw handguns it was defeated by an overwhelming majority because
law-abiding taxpayers realized the law applied to them too, not just
criminals. Most folks are smart enough to know the cops are there to
draw
a
chalk outline around the body and try to catch the bad guy, they
can't
protect us in our homes at night.

There is the point that the U.S. already thousands of laws at the
local,
state and federal levels dealing with firearms. This horrific crime
in
Virgina raises the question of why a guy who was repeatedly brought
to
the
attention of campus authorities for stalking/harrassing young women
and
who
was reported by his roommate as being suicidal was still able to
clear
background checks when buying guns. Yet those concerned with privacy
will
ask whether we want a system where every minor brush with authorities
ends
up in govt. computers and follows us the rest of our lives.

I don't pretend to have any magical answers, but I do know that I'm
the
descendant of a woman who used a firearm to protect herself and her
two
children from a violent intruder. So anyone who claims that part of
the
solution is banning handguns needs to explain how many people acting
in
self-defense they are willing to sacrifice by disarming them.
Supposedly
every year in the U.S. two million people use a firearm in
self-defense,
how
many of them shall we consider expendable?

This staggering massacre in Virginia will without doubt motivate
Congress
to
consider new laws, the question is, will they be commonsense laws
that
will
actually reduce the likelihood of such crimes happening again, or
will
they
just be feelgood legislation that will allow lawmakers to pretend
they're
doing something useful while in reality only making life more
difficult
for
law abiding citizens and not inconveniencing criminals much at all.

Not a bad post, however, unfortunately, you're an avowed liar Douglas.

The issue is U.TX, McDonalds San Ysidro, Luby's Killeen, Columbine,
VTech type
massacres. But then, obscuring the issue is a sideline specialty of
your "team".

Regards,

mvm

Get back on your meds Marc. You were doing soooo good, for awhile! (;<)

At UT in 1966, CIVILIANS got their "OWN" rifles & kept that sick
person's
head down, until the police could get into the building. All documented
by
newsreel. The police had a hell of a time getting all the people to
stop
shooting. If they hadn't kept his head down, many more would have been
hurt,
or killed. The police didn't show up with rifles. GET IT!!!!!! ARMED
CITZENS
stopped it.

Every other example you listed, was CLEARLY UNARMED people being killed
&
wounded by ARMED CRIMINALS.

Get rid of guns, criminals will use "OTHER" weapons, with the same
effect.

People are funny critters.

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Whenever your position is discredited, you poor fellas knee jerk to
claiming that the other
party must be be "on meds". It was beyond delicious to see Limbaugh
get nailed for precisely
that.

As to Watson, the tower and UT '66...don't B.S. about newsreels, post
a link supporting your
funny critter diversion -then you can get back to your first diversion
attempt about border issues. mvm

Limbaugh is an idiot.
The UT'66 News Reel info, was played on PBS<<channel 13 here, after the
Columbine fiasco.
They actually played the whole story, not leaving out the parts where
armed
citizens helped.
You can probably buy that whole production from PBS.
As far as the McDonalds incident in sunny southern Kalifornacator, if you
remember, that same day, a guy drove a Cadillac through a daycare
playground, killing several preschoolers.
The press made 1 comment about that & then rammed the McDonalds shootings
down everyone's throat.
So using your logic, we should get rid of all Cadillac's & give therapy
to
the drivers.
Inanimate objects used in both cases, but the car killed more & got less
publicity.
No agenda there, is there?

As far as border issues, you say you served your country. Well, I find it
a
bit strange that you now are willing to stand by & let it be dragged down
by
the flood of "ILLEGAL'S" that are coming in. Read the part about barbra
boxer from the Border Patrol site info below. Sounds just like you
kalifornacators. Let's just give it away.

Mow you're own yard, cook you're own food, raise you're own kids, pour
you're own concrete.
They can pay for their own health care, come up with their own jobs in
their
own country<<instead of making money here & sending it home, taking $12
billion a year out of "our" economy. ETC.,ETC.,ETC.





Try driving around as a Gringo in Mexico with no liability insurance..
and
have an accident...

Enter! MEXICO illegally.
Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that
nonsense.
Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care
for
you and your entire family.

Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.

Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.

Procreate abundantly.
Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive
behavior
with,
"It is a cultural United States thing. You would not understand, pal."

Keep your American identity strong.
Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front
window
or on your car bumper.

Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do
likewise.

Insist that all products' labels, owner's manuals, instructions, etc., be
written in English as well as Spanish.

Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.

Demand a local Mexican driver license.

This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your
unauthorized, illegal presence in Mexico.

Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its
officers.

Good luck!
Because it will never happen.
It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world... except
right here in the United States... Land of the naive!

If you agree, pass it on.
If you don't, go ahead and try the above in Mexico or Iran, or just about
any other country in the world, for that matter.

Words of Wisdom: "Support the country you live in... or live in the
country
you support"

If you are going to come here, do it legally and learn to be an
American.....isn't that why you came?


America......wake up



This site is maintained by supporters of the United States Border Patrol
and
this is not an official government site. The contents of this site are
privately managed and not subject to the direction or control of the
United
States Border Patrol.





The Flood
The flood of Mexican illegal aliens across the United States southern
border
is wanton, violent, continuous, and unchecked. That is the truth. There
is
no "alternate" truth. Well, unless you think that as many as 6.5 million
illegal aliens coming across our southern border each and every year is
okay.

There are really only two ways illegal's enter the United States: by foot
or
by land motor vehicle.

You will note that air travel is not in that short list because air
travel
is essentially not used by illegal's to enter the United States. Although
after 9-11, illegal's have the unmitigated gall to flock to airports and
take commercial aircraft to their destinations deep within America. You
might be nearly strip searched but illegal aliens seem immune to capture.
And, yes, the perpetrators of 9-11 did seem to take airplanes. They also
had
student visas and after eight years of lunacy from a prior
administration..
That is being changed.

Also, note that boats are not on the list. There are probably more surf
boards and even inner tubes used to illegally float into the United
States
than real boats. Boats are reserved for the most part for Chinese or some
other ocean crossing group.

Thanks to the very rational fear that some unidentified ocean cruiser may
contain a nuclear weapon targeted for an American harbor, all of these
unusual vessels are detected, tracked, intercepted, and boarded hundreds
or
even thousands of miles away from our shores. If it's big enough to get
here
from China then we've been watching it.

Further, trying to enter the United States by boat has some very
interesting
rules. If you can make it "un-captured" to US dry land then you are
handled
differently than if you are captured still in the water. And by "water" I
mean the high water mark. If you are still in the "water" then you have
not
reached the US, and can be summarily be sent away with not one nod from
the
courts. If you make it to a point just above the high water mark -- dry
land -- then all of the various processes and procedures of the INS and
the
courts are ready to help you stay here.

This is the "Haitian" method. You crash a boat onto the beach and run.

The United States southern border is 1,945 miles long. It follows a line
from San Diego / Imperial Beach, California on the Pacific coast to
Brownsville, Texas on the Caribbean.

There are 16 official Ports of Entry along the US / Mexican border. These
entry points are the only official crossing points along this border. Of
the
1,945 miles of border only about 50 miles are actually guarded by the
United
States Border Patrol. These 50 miles surround the various official
crossing
points and an additional 15 miles of barricade from the Pacific Ocean
Eastward.





To illegally -- and yet openly -- cross the United States border at a
Port
of Entry one must have that level of forged documentation sufficient to
fool
experienced Immigration and Naturalization Service, US Customs, and
Border
Patrol personnel. Usually these forgeries are limited to forged "green
cards." Some passports are doctored but only for really "high value"
illegal's.

It is also possible to cross the border secured within some hidden
compartment of a vehicle. The success of such an adventure is totally
dependent upon the failings of the federal officer who greets you and the
emotional composure of the vehicle's driver and the quality of the
vehicle's
secret compartment



There was one individual who simply took the cushions out of his
passenger
side car seat and then stuffed his friend in the space and covered him
back
up with the zippered upholstery. To add a bit of camouflage, the driver
planted a baby seat on top of him. The US Border Patrol Agent at the Port
of
Entry looked at the oddly shaped "cushion" and unzipped him far enough to
get a photo and then took them both away.

The number of illegal's detained at US Ports of Entry for any violation
is
comparatively small.

The vast majority of illegal aliens entering the United States do so on
foot
through the open expanse of America's Great American Desert. Thousands
upon
thousands of squalid trails mark the northward migration of illegal's
through some of the most inhospitable terrain on earth.



These illegal's favor the El Paso, Texas area, the Douglas, Arizona area,
and the El Centro, California area. When you look at a map you see that
these potential points of attack are fed by rail lines and roadways in
Mexico. The terrain of Mexico is no more hospitable at these crossing
points
than it is on the US side and so travel to jumping off points inside
Mexico
is by road and rail. You can actually just go to a Mexican border town
bus
terminal and spot the illegal's-to-be getting off the bus.

It is a very sad reality that thousands of potential Mexican border
crossers
have died even many miles south of the border, deep within Mexico, and
long
before they have even approached the US / Mexico frontier. These people
simply did not have the money for a bus ticket and died walking north
inside
Mexico.

There is one solid organization that is known for trying to help these
poor
people inside their own countries. That organization is Rescue Task
Force.
Rescue Task Force goes to these foreign lands and provides medical care
and
more to these people. They make things better for these people -- if
anything so that these poor people have no reason to come here. If you
want
to do some good and save lives and give these poor people less of a
reason
to die on their way here, donate to Rescue Task Force.




How bad is the situation? Most border cities of Mexico are desperate
places
packed with tens or even hundreds of thousands of people waiting for a
chance to cross our border northwards.






Once across the border the illegal aliens follow well traveled paths to
the
north.

Most of the illegal alien trails within the United States are strewn with
the detritus of this illegal Mexican migration. There are miles upon
miles
of discarded food containers, plastic water jugs, inedible food scraps,
human feces, and soiled clothing.

United States Senator Barbara Boxer passed legislation banning the United
States Border Patrol from any travel along much of the US southwest
border
area. This left these areas as a free migration zone for illegal's. It
was
all done to "save the environment."

Many of the most valuable of these natural areas have since been
converted
to barren wastelands by diversionary forest fires which were set by
illegal
aliens simply to distract Border Patrol Agents. The largest fire in San
Diego history in 40 years -- called the Alpine Fire -- was started by
illegal's. The catastrophe was then compounded by actions of the
left-leaning American Red Cross which absorbed mountains of dollars in
donations to help the victims of the fire and then the money "vanished."
This is similar to their actions during the Red Cross fund raising
efforts
for 9-11-2001 where little of the money ever reached the people for whom
it
was collected.

Much of the Great American Desert is now scattered with hundreds upon
hundreds of "do-gooder" placed water jugs. This water is to allow the
illegal alien to refresh himself on his way north. In some places the
illegal aliens have filed suit in US courts to force water stations to be
emplaced for them -- by our federal government. Further, the suits demand
that the illegal's who have already died in the US deserts have their
families compensated for their deaths -- in the millions of dollars each.

The illegal aliens that enter the United States are not passive. Violent
crime is rampant along the US / Mexican border. This crime is not simply
a
few "undocumented migrants" seeking cool water and opening a tap. Homes
are
entered, ransacked, and the occupants murdered. In one of the most
notorious
cases, an illegal alien rampaged the entire southwest murdering nearly
everyone he could get his hands on. It was only a massive effort by the
Texas Rangers that brought the person to justice.

In Ciudad Juárez -- just across the border from El Paso, Texas, hundreds
of
teenage girls have been murdered... essentially for sport. More than a
few
investigators--including the authors of the U.S. Department of State's
human
rights report on Mexico--conclude that the killings could not have gone
on
for so long without the connivance of the police. Figures compiled by the
Office of the Special Prosecutor for Women's Murders in Ciudad Juárez
show
that at least 230 women and possibly even 400 women have recently been
killed. The killings bear the hallmarks of sex-abuse serial killings.

This massive plague of murder of the innocent washes north across the US
border.

Cases include the murder of a six year old girl in her own American
backyard
because the illegal alien wanted to use her bicycle. He stabbed her in
the
heart with a screwdriver.

Near the agricultural community of El Centro, California, the United
States
government has funded one of the largest irrigation efforts in the
country.
This complex of irrigation canals and ditches is fed by the All America
Canal and is called the Imperial Irrigation District (IID). The IID
consists
of more than 80 miles of irrigation waterway and much of it is along the
US
/ Mexican border.

Illegal aliens penetrate the US border defenses just south of El Centro
and
then cross the IID canals. Some drown. The water is seemingly placid, but
just below the surface it flows at an alarming speed on its way to the
farmer's fields. Further, the water is not tepid. The water is usually as
cold as the mountain ice from which is has come only hours before. The
illegal aliens cross the canal because the United States Border Patrol
has
been ordered away from the canal's edge so that even their simple
presence
cannot be used as a cause celeb and drowning deaths attributed to some
"fear" of US Border Patrol Agents nearby. Thousands of illegal's escape
northward every week as the US Border Patrol remains even half a mile
from
the water's edge.

The same people who have placed water jugs upon the desert sands for
illegal's to refresh themselves have demanded that ropes be placed across
these canals so that the illegal's can cross with impunity. What is
demanded
are crossing ropes every 100 yards. The IID has seen the problem with
this
notion in that once installed, the act opens them to civil liability of
monumental proportions. In a land where the simple act of coffee spilling
into your very own lap is worth seven million dollars makes future
lawsuits
a certainty. Certainly, the ropes should be not 100 yards apart but
instead
not more than 10 yards apart, and then permanent "Undocumented Migrant"
Concrete Bridges would be next (plus additional millions for the
uncounted
"victims").

Many times the illegals are brought across the frontier by a professional
smuggler. He may escort as many as fifty illegal's at one time. The price
for each averages $2,500.

To avoid US Border Patrol Agents, the smugglers can take mountain trails
even in winter. Infrequently -- but somehow warranting massive media
coverage when it occurs -- the illegal's are caught in snow flurries.
They
suffer from exposure and some die.

Whether it be the heat of the desert or the cold of the mountains the
illegal aliens are often saved by the US Border Patrol and taken to
nearby
hospitals. The ambulance transporting the illegal's and the hospital
treating the illegal's are never paid. The only remuneration the
hospitals
and ambulance services receive is by marking up US citizen's ambulance
and
hospital bills to cover their losses. Yes, we pay for the illegal's.

There are about a hundred US hospitals along the US / Mexican border.
Each
of these hospitals loses an average of two million dollars a year for the
treatment of just illegal's brought in through the emergency room due to
debilitation from exposure. Many of these illegal's can spend six months
in
intensive care with an average daily cost of $2,000. Usually these cases
are
from heat stroke and the prognosis is very poor. The families do not
allow
the hospital to discontinue life support and at some point the patient is
returned to Mexico where they then die. Yes, even half a million dollars
to
maintain the illegal who is incapable of ever regaining consciousness and
is
then returned to Mexico where they die.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service is proud to state that the
increase in illegal alien traffic has been less than 275,000 a year. No,
that is not the number of illegal's crossing the border, that is the
increase in the yearly number of illegal's crossing the border.

In 1965, the number of illegal aliens apprehended by the US Border Patrol
was 110,000. In fiscal year 1996 that number was 1,650,000. The number of
apprehensions is not the number of people who entered the country
illegally.
The number apprehended is the number of illegal aliens the US Border
Patrol
actually caught. For every illegal alien caught, the US Border Patrol
estimates that they miss four. The good news in this equation is that
some
of the illegal aliens the US Border Patrol catches are quickly deported
only
to quickly try again. Thus the real number of illegal's actually being
caught (subtracting the multiple attempts) might be as low as 1,200,000.
Yes, the US Border Patrol may only be capturing a little over a million
illegal's a year. So instead of possibly 6.5 million illegal's getting
through the real number may only be 4.8 million.

There is a certain level of insanity to all of these numbers. Because, it
seems, showing that large numbers of illegal aliens are entering the
country
may alarm the populace (especially today), and so the numbers are to be
kept
low. How are the numbers kept low? The US Border Patrol Agent in the
field
is tacitly encouraged NOT to apprehend illegal's. Yes, just let them
through. The logic is that if the statistics show a low apprehension rate
then -- by multiplying by four -- the number of illegal's entering the
country must also be lower and thus the US Border Patrol is doing its
job.

Comprende?

This is not the intent of the US Border Patrol Agent in the field but
that
of the still-in-the-saddle-after-Bill-Clinton regional administrators.

One of the reasons President George Bush wants more control over the new
Homeland Security Agency is to rid us of these people who are so
protected
by civil service regulations.

It hasn't always been thus... The Border Patrol District Chief in El
Paso,
Silvestre Reyes (now member of the US Congress), became tired of the
constant flood of illegal's. He launched what was called Operation
Blockade,
which was an intensive around the clock patrol of the El Paso border
area.
This operation, later reported in the media as named Operation
Hold-the-Line
was quite successful.

Copycat operations were then initiated in San Diego -- as Operation
Gatekeeper -- and then in other border areas. These high intensity
operations encouraged the illegal's to cross farther from their nominal
transportation centers on the northern side of the border which would
quickly take them deep into the heart of America.

What this has now done is make much of the United States' federal
interstate
highway system of the southwest a death trap for all who travel there.
The
illegal aliens steal vans or other large capacity vehicles and then pack
them with as many illegal's as possible and then race for some high
density
illegal alien haven such as Los Angeles. The overloaded vehicles have a
tremendous propensity for flipping over on turns and many illegal aliens
die
or are tragically injured only to be brought to health in a US border
hospital at average American bill payer expense. In other cases, huge
semi
trucks are employed to carry even 177 illegal's at a time.

Lastly, the illegal aliens are now avoiding the US Border Patrol Agents
by
driving at night, in the oncoming lanes of the freeways, and with their
head
lights out. Even 32 people are killed or injured at one time when these
illegal aliens slam their overloaded vans into innocent Americans.

Other interesting illegal aliens:

The influx of certain other dangerous groups has also reached startling
proportions.

There are, for example, those people of north eastern Africa called
Somalis.

Some time ago, United States armed forces were sent into Somalia to help
the
people and save them from utter starvation. The United Nations also sent
in
several thousand military personnel as well. One day, about 20 of the UN
troops were slaughtered, then hacked into tiny pieces and the pieces fed
to
wild dogs.

The US troops were then put on alert and called upon to enforce UN rules.
Two of our US helicopters were shot down and some of the Americans who
crashed in those helicopters or went in to save the people who crashed in
those helicopters were also hacked to pieces -- although in our case,they
were not hacked into small chunks and fed to dogs.

Hundreds of US troops then went on alert and entered the town of
Mogadishu
to save their fallen comrades and to capture some of the perpetrators.
There
was a bloodbath, and many US troops were killed or wounded.


Many of our troops were killed because they did not have what they needed
to
protect them. Yes, they were actually not allowed the equipment they
desperately needed to protect themselves. In fact, some of that equipment
was removed from their arsenal just prior to the operation so as not to
make
them seem to be too aggressive. It killed them.




Almost all of the barbarians who attacked the UN peacekeepers and the
barbarians who hacked them into chunks and the barbarians who attacked
our
troops and the barbarians who then -- by the thousands -- attacked our
rescue forces all chewed a narcotic called Khat.




The number of violent aliens and illegal aliens in America at this moment
from that part of the world can be calculated by the amount of this drug
being smuggled into the country. The narcotic is an acquired taste and
certainly not for an American palate.

Here is some data: The amount of this narcotic "Khat" captured on its way
to
those people who are already inside this country:

KHAT SMUGGLING
17.6 tons in 1996

21.1 tons in 1997

27.6 tons in 1998

22.1 tons in 1999

33.8 tons in 2000

37.2 tons in 2001

Source: El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC) from USCS data.



Get it yet?????

Close the borders & get rid of ILLEGAL ALIENS OF ALL NATIONALITIES. Let
them
fix their own messes in their own countries.


but texas is part of mexico. who sez it aint? you?




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  • Re: Thai King has to abdicate
    ... family and country individually can be ... A father without a son has his roots being cut off. ... Country laws have to be compassionate. ... To bring peace and prosperity to a country, ...
    (soc.culture.thai)
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