Re: Televangelist Robertson warns town of God's wrath
Ether wrote:
tubeguru wrote:
The Repair Guy wrote:
tubeguru <tubeguru@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Phil Wilson wrote:
Post a link to any evolutionists who say that the planet
is not old enough. Never heard that one before.
I've heard it before. From creationists.
It was told to me in a conversation I had with a geneticist
who had worked on the original DNA project in the '40s.
"The original DNA project"? What and when was that?
He was a graduate student at the time working under Dr Francis Crick at
Cambridge in the late 40's. You know, the guy who discovered DNA.
What's his *name*? Identify the person.
And what would you do with it?
He is the father of a good friend of mine. The premise
is this: If the evolutionary process had relied solely on
natural selection, as many of the evolutionists maintain,
Who are the "evolutionists" claiming this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
"Today most evolutionary biologists believe that
evolution does not necessarily require, or exclusively
depend on, natural selection; and natural selection
does not guarantee evolution let alone adaptive
evolution."
OK, so without all that where does that leave evolution. What is the
mechanism for it?
Genetic mutation over time + environmental forces. Simple.
Not so simple to go from bacterium to complex organisms. Remember the
rate of genetic mutation even under the most favorable conditions is not
great enough in the time alloted. Viruses can mutate at a fairly rapid
pace, but they remain viruses. 4.5 billion years is simply not enough
time. To go from pre-DNA life to single celled organisms is a huge jump.
You can distill it down to some kind of crazy exponential chemical chain
reaction, which it certainly has been proven to be. But Why are we here?
That's the real question that both sides really want the answer to and
they both have preconceived notions about the answer. Science wants to
know about the universe. Religion is concerned with what the universe
knows about us. Kinda like Yin and Yang dude......
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that evolution
didn't happen, I'm saying that the mechanism of evolution is unexplained
by current science.
BULL***. Evolution has been "explained" by science for the last
hundred years. And backed up by the fossil record. So...I'm curious:
Where do you think dinosaur bones came from?
It makes just as much sense to say that life evolved
itself through its own consciousness
LAUGHABLE! Have you gone to school past the second grade? Ever engaged
in rational thought? Your consciousness couldn't evolve you out of a
paper bag.
It doesn't make sense that as an organism becomes more complex its
consciousness evolves also enabling it to better survive and adapt? Kind
of like a symbiosis. You don't feel that the consciousness of an
organism contributes to it's evolution? How odd....
or that aliens indulged in a little experimentation.
While there is probably life elsewhere in our vast universe, there is
zero evidence of prior contact with another civilization.
Not true, there's plenty of historical evidence.......
I agree that Intelligent Design is little more than creationism in a cheap tuxedo.
You're right about that. That's the first reasonable thing you've
said. Maybe there *is* hope for intelligent life in the universe.
However, the fact remains that science is unable to come up with an intelligent
answer to the question of evolution
BULL***. Science has had an "intelligent" explanation for the process
of evolution for the past hundred years. It has been confirmed and
reconfirmed by laboratory research, the study of genetics, and the
fossil record.
If there's no such thing as evolution, why is everyone so concerned
that the Avain Flu will mutate into strain that is capable of spreading
into and between humans? That's called "EVOLUTION".
Since you don't seem to have access to a grade school, here's a primer
on evolution for you:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
and that science is at least as caught up it its own dogma as religion is.
HORSE***. That's what a religious nut would have you believe.
Religion is dogma. Science is the rigorous testing of theories, and
the intelligent discovery of truth--and the way things really work.
Not true, scientists are people, so are the religious. All human beings
are mired to one degree or another with their in their own dogmas (as
you have evidenced with the your colorful descriptions of various
excreta in your last two additions to this thread), it blinds us to what
is. Think of the minuscule amount of the energy spectrum that we can
perceive yet we base our our perception of the universe on it....
Perhaps you still believe that thunder is caused by a god with a large
hammer.
If you believe that "science is caught up in its own dogma," then
perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or use electricity in
your home--both made possible by scientific discoveries. And if you
need an operation, forget seeing a doctor.
They're both wrong because they're unwilling to think outside the box.
That describes fundmentalist religion PERFECTLY. Science is all about
"thinking outside the box"? How do you think we came up with the
nuclear bomb? Splitting the atom seemed incredibly farfetched in the
1940s--even to a lot of scientists.
Do you really believe the moronic crap you're saying?
Do you?
There is nothing in any of the creation myths that precludes evolution,
True. But because the Bible (written by men, by the way) doesn't
spefically mention evolution (not surprising, since learning was pretty
limited back then), a lot of religious nuts claim that it must not
exist. They're wrong.
and there's nothing in science that precludes external intelligence.
True--as long as there is demonstrable evidence for that, which there
is not.
However the dogmatism of both precludes the discovery of the truth.
MORONIC BULL***. Religious fundamentalist dogma DOES preclude the
discovery of the truth, because it precludes looking. Science is the
discipline of LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH, and proving it.
So because something hasn't been proved scientifically it does not
exist? So the earth was flat until it was round?...... OK, makes sense
to me. Science is a way of EXPLAINING the truth, so is religion....
TG
You are either the dumbest fucking moron I've ever encountered, or the
most naive soul on earth. Let's hope it's the latter
--E
Maybe neither......
TG
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