Re: Oops!

On Feb 24, 9:57 pm, sam <can...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 24, 7:49 pm, "Connie" <tucson.con...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





"bodhi" <psychedelictour...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Feb 24, 11:21 am, thistle <michael_this...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The democrats need to pass something.

....and there you go - the only reason the Democrats are shoving this
bad bill down our throats

Obama wants a trophy

And when it happens the right wing trolls will be so insanely mad they
will be rending their garments and gnashing their teeth. I'm not too
happy with the health care plan, its not socialistic enough for me,
but the spectacle of right wing trolls freaking out will be fun to
watch.

ya can keep on dreaming but folks are getting hip to your games ...

Democrat Lies and Their Conspiracy To Abuse Power Through Legislative
Reconcilaition
February 24, 2010http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978066125&gr...

  Democrats are trying to defuse criticism of their attempts to pass
the same federal healthcare reforms that the American public has
already rejectedthrough the legislative process of reconsiliation.
They are doing so by claiming that Republicans have used the process
of reconciliation in the past. This is true. However it is also true
that Republicans have not passed any legislation through the process
of reconciliation that dealt with any major national overhaul of
anything that was not limited to the federal budget.

That difference is essential and the reason for the essential
difference between Republican use of reconciliation regarding
budgetary matters and Democrat attempts to use the process for
healthcare reform is as follows.

The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 created a Reconciliation
process that was meant to deal strictly with the budget. It was
specifically meant to be used regarding the passage of budgets
effecting a single fiscal year and primarily on proposed spending and
revenue legislation that was being dealt with at specific points in
the budget process.

Below you will see all the bills that were passed by Democrats and
Republicans in Congress recosiliation since 1980.

Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980, Pub.L. 96-499 (1980)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, Pub.L. 97-35 (1981)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982, Pub.L. 97-253 (1982)
Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA), Pub.L.
97-248 (1982)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983, Pub.L. 98-270 (1984)
Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 (DEFRA), Pub.L. 98-369 (1984)
Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), Pub.L.
99-272
(1986)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986, Pub.L. 99-509 (1986)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987, Pub.L. 100-203 (1987)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-239 (1989)
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, Pub.L. 101-508 (1990).
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, Pub.L. 103-66 (1990).
Balanced Budget Act of 1995, H.R. 2491 (vetoed December 6, 1995)
Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, Pub.L. 104-193
(1996)
Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-33 (1997)
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-34 (1997) Taxpayer Refund and
Relief Act of 1999, H.R. 2488 (vetoed September 23, 1999)
Marriage Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2000, H.R. 4810 (vetoed
August 5, 2000)
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA),
Pub.L. 107-16 (2001)
Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108-27
(2003) Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-171 (2006)
Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA), Pub.L.
109-222 (2006)
College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-84 (2007)
Look at that list.

Now add healthcare reform to it.

The American healthcare reform act of 2010

Does anthing strike you as being different or standing out on such a
list?

Then there is this. In 1985, long serving West Virginia Democrat
Senator Robert Byrd championed an amendment to the reconciliation
process that would prohibit its use for any action that would effect
the deficit beyond 10 years after that specific reconciliation measure
was passed. This is why the Bush tax cuts were created to last for
only ten years. During Bush s presidency, the three major tax cuts
that he was responsible for, were passed by reconciliation and to
satisfy the requiremens that t reconciliation called for, the tax cuts
were limited to the ten year clause of the reconciliation process.

These are the facts which limited Republicans to the proper use of
reconciliation. They are important facts, facts that Democrats are
leaving out when they accuse Republicans of having used reconciliation
in the past, and then try to claim is the reason why Democrats can use
it to pass a government takeover of healthcare in America in the
future.

The claim is a half truth and an attempt to decieve.  The reasons for
that conclusion are as such.

First, the Democrat healthcare takeover scheme most certainly effects
the budget beyond the 10 year mark that reconciliation required.

Second, the proposed government healthcare takeover contains
legislative initiatives that deal with far more than taxes or the
budget which is effected by taxes. It is a major reform of a
significant portion of the national economy, places mandates on
individuals and businesses, increases the size of government and
creates new government panels, bureaus, departments, and agencies,
changes regulations and reforms the process of health treatment
decisions.

This goes far beyond anything that reconciliation was ever meant to
deal with.

It is also MOST important to know this additional crucial fact.

In 1993, when Hillary Clinton wrote the healthcare reform proposal
that Bill Clinton was championing, he tried to pass it through
reconciliation. However; Democrat Senator Robert objected on the
grounds that healthcare reform was so broad, that it effected and
dealt with much more than reconciliation theoretically allowed for.

Now, 17 years later,  reconciliation is suddenly alright to use for
passage of healthcare reform?

NO!  IT IS NOT ALRIGHT! It is wrong! It was wrong then and it is wrong
now.

So while Democrats may gain some traction by trying to label
Republicans as hypocrites because of their own use of reconciliation
in the past but now object to Democrats use of it, a look at the
facts, is proving that Democrats are lying through their teeth.

Republicans never passed a major overhaul of life in America with a
simple partisan majority. Furthermore; they never passed a major
overhaul of life in America over the objections of the American
people.

To be sure, elections have ramifications. As a result of the 2008
elections, Democrats have complete control over the House, the Senate
and the White House. As such, Republicans must understand that those
majorities can and will be used to pass legislation that Republicans
may oppose. However; one of the ramifications of the 2008 election
should not be the illegal use of a process that is designed to insure
that a clear and somewhat bi-partisan majority is used to pass any
legislation that significantly changes life in America.

So any attempts to paint Republicans as hypocrites on the issue of
reconciliation is not only dishonest, it is evidence of a conspiracy
to mislead the American people and an attempt for Democrats to abuse
their power through the improper  use of the reconciliation process.

The more Democrats push this, the more excuses they make and the more
they try to deceive the American people and advance legislation that
the American people oppose, and try to do so through a process that
they oppose, the harder Democrats shall fall in the coming months. And
from there, rapidly, shall the presidency of Barrack Obama begin to
unravel and the liberal majority in Congress will quickly begin to
fade away into ineffectiveness and obscurity.

Stop the lies. If the President and the liberal lead Congress truly
want bipartisanship, than stop trying to find a way to pass a major
overhaul of American life through partisan measures.

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namaste;
bodhi

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Ugh!  There are so many misspellings in that it's hard to read.  That, plus
it's a bunch of crap.

check out the source..."gather.com"...lol, must be a bunch of drunken,
stoned-out a-camp hippies running the site...lol- Hide quoted text -

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lol yoh self, jerk
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