Re: FLDS kids

On May 30, 9:54 pm, "Connie" <tucson.con...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
"Old Tom" <rascal...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On May 30, 4:01 pm, "spiritrising"





<miketwofeath...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
the original warrant has already been found to be invalid, anything born
out
of that original warrant gives cause to have such evidence thrown out, and
any procedure after the fact was and is unwarranted as well, based on the
original warrant. the whole case was born out of the original warrant,
without that they could never have gotten the dna evidence, so it can not
be
held valid.

it took two years that a state went after them the last time in the same
way
to finally get it all through the courts for colorado city, flds won on
all
counts, and was also paid a settlement as well. same problem state went in
and took kids, with no basis of fact. spiritrising

"Buttercup" <delno...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On May 30, 2:37 pm, "spiritrising"
<miketwofeath...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
since the dna testing was borned out of the faulty warrant and what
the
court started with, it can not be used in any procedings that come
later
on,
and would be quashed. spiritrising

Hmmm, not sure if that will hold up. The warrant for the testing
wasn't the same as the warrant for the seizure of the kids, and was
therefore based on additional evidence than what prompted taking the
kids in the first place. That doesn't mean a judge won't throw it
out, but he or she could rule otherwise as there is a little wiggle
room there. By the time the testing was ordered, the initial phone
call was already determined to be a hoax. It will be interesting to
see how it goes.- Hide quoted text -

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Mike, the original warrant was executed in "Good Faith".  All evidence
is in.
IMO
I'll get some links
Old Tom

I'd like to read something official that says there WAS a warrant.
CPS statutes grant broad powers to case workers to protect children in
extremis, clear and present immediate dangers to health and safety of
the community being the sole exception to due process safeguards, but
clearly this was not the case with these children. I don't believe
there ever was any warrant. I think what happened was the CPS people
overstepped their authority. Both appellate courts held there were no
clear and present immediate dangers warranting the removal of the
chilren. This was a case of the police state getting caught in the
act, IMO of course.

"unwarranted" = not reasonable
"Warrant" = an official document


The children lost this one (relatively small) battle, but it's not over by a
long shot.  The pedophiles will lose this war.

No affidavit of complaint from any witness to any offense...

Guilt by association. Malicious gossip. Defamation. Slander.
Unshakeable blind trust in war and hatred as solutions ... Connie
needs help.
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