Re: My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

On May 9, 12:06 am, "ohloo...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <ohloo...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On May 8, 9:56 pm, michael_this...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

I see no way that Hillary is attempting to disenfranchise the voters.
Anyway she's lost the election so what's your beef? She lost in part
because the votes in Fl and MI were not counted and Obama derailed all
attempts to revote in those states. Do you disagree with my analysis
of Fl and MI? Do you disagree that Obama used every means with in his
power to disenfranchise the voters of MI and Fl?

The states themselves screwed up by holding their primaries early...
they were warned of the consequences.

When Michigan moved it's primary to a date before February 5th, the
Democratic National Committee penalized the state by nullifying the
primary and, therefore they will get no delegates to the Democratic
National Convention. Edwards, Obama and the other candidates except
Clinton removed their names from the ballot in Michigan in support of
the DNC decision (not as a protest). Clinton left her name on, knowing
there would be nobody else on the ballot. Even though the DNC
currently says that Michigan will get no Delegates to the convention,
it is expected that the Clinton campaign will appeal this decision,
which will provide her with uncontested delegates (though they may
only get 50% of the original number).

Left her name on the ballot... tell me who is disenfranchising who?

Would you like us to share links to news articles to verify?

No thanks.. that will only lead to a link war... Links can be found
to support most any position.

I'm not talking about links to opinion pieces. Before we can discuss
the issue and debate it we must have our facts straight. For example
you are wrong. Clinton was not the only one on the ballot. Clinton,
Dodd, Kucinich, and Gravel all left their names on the ballot. Here is
a statement by Dodd at the time. He had a more detailed statement on
his web site as little as 3 weeks ago, but its been removed. Clinton's
statement was similar.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/09/michigan.primary/index.html

While Dodd's campaign is "committed to the importance of Iowa and New
Hampshire going first," Dodd will not withdraw from the ballot, said
Dodd's communications director Hari Sevugan.

"It does not benefit any of us, if we are the nominee, to pull our
name off the ballot and slight Michigan voters," Sevugan said.

I'm happy to discuss the issue if you're willing to do the research
that you apparently didn't do at the time. You clearly weren't paying
attention and bought the media spin. As for why 4 candidates removed
their names and 4 didn't there was plenty of articles about that as
well. Though all off the record so its not as clear as the fact that 4
candidates left their name on the ballot.

http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1264

This is just a part of the story in MI that I was paying attention to
at the time and you were ignoring.
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