Re: Think you're getting all your emails? Censorship alert

On Dec 14, 8:56 am, woodstock <thirdwavevisi...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 14, 10:18 am, Chuck <livingli...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Dec 14, 6:31 am, Karin Zirk <kz...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As someone who spents months researching missing emails as part of my
job,
the short answer is technology ain't perfect.

The longer answer is that many ISPs including many of the free ISPs
block
email domains wholesale due to spam concerns. Also there are tons of
spam blockers
being used that often legitimate email gets caught up.

For example, hotmail used to wholesale block my old company's root email
address.
They never sent us bounce backs, they never indicated to the email
account holders
that email messages were being deleted. Basically everything that came
from us was deleted and that was that.

Then once we resolved that problem with hotmail, they started deleting
some emails,
but not all of them.

Then there's AOL and Earthlink. AOL hates Earthlink and some days all
my emails
to AOL addresses fail. Yet other days they go through. It's AOL only
accepting so
many messages a day from Earthlink.

As the ration of spam to legitimate email increases, the lengths people
take
to get rid of spam rises. Stuff gets caught up in it and often without
a trace.

This is a big issue and one that will probably never be perfect. People
have
full time jobs just dealing with this.

Karin

But what's at issue here is whether a (free) ISP has the right to
block incoming emails from another company's server that it finds
objectionable? While I would rather they didn't I have a much bigger
problem with the gov. coming in and saying they must.

Chuck- Hide quoted text -

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I pay for my ISP, yahoo is both an email provider and also an ISP for
example. Yahoo provides both free accounts as well as paid for
accounts- is there a difference as far as privacy? I think the issue
is a little more complicated since "spam blocking" is an automated
system programed with various criteria such as an attachment, or
flagged addresses for example. Too, the mere blocking and/or deleting
of messages is one thing (as in automated spam blockers) , but the
reading and/or screening of private emails is entirely different. I
know this is splitting hairs, but there is a distinction. -w-

With Yahoo I rather doubt if there's a difference in policy, whether
you pay or not, being their business model is aimed at advertisement
revenue and the like. I don't know because I've never had a paid
Yahoo account, except once my ISP was the local phone Co. (SBC Global)
and it came with a Yahoo account, but I think that's still considered
free. I don't think you're splitting hairs at all, it's simply a
question of what constitutes content. You and I can agree or agree to
disagree, but in the end that will be decided by the owner(s) of the
servers. My take on it is simple; if the owner doesn't want it on
their server, it goes. After all an email to their domain
(mynamehere@xxxxxxxxx) or any other will ultimately reside on that
domains server. Should they be expected to store anybody's and
everybody's objectionable material sent through an email? I think
not. It's their storage space, at what point do you draw the line?

Chuck
.

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