Re: Another serious illness from Arkansas Rainbow gathering

On Aug 30, 10:13 pm, cypresscr...@xxxxxxx wrote:
Twothumbs...@xxxxxxx wrote:
others who suffer from staph or MRSA.

That is right staph is short for Staphylococcus, a grampositve cocci
bacteria which grows in clusters like grapes. It is catalase
positive,
that is it causes hydrogen peroxide to bubble.

MRSA stands for Methicillin Resistant Staph. Aureus, a form of Staph
which is resistant to B-Lactams, or the Penicillin class of
antibiotics.

My first infection was days after the Gathering. Within a week, I
was covered from head to foot with huge oozing sores. I finally went
to the emergency room once I realized I didn't have poison ivy. Got
some antibiotics and it cleared up. One abcessed sore had to be lanced
so it would drain....yucko yucko.....I was laid up for nearly 3 weeks,
having to keep my abcessed leg up. Walking was extremely painful.
Unfortunately, after 10 days of being infection free, a new infection,
just ONE sore, has appeared, possibly, meaning the last dose of
antibiotic killed the strep bacteria, but now the strep bacteria has
now mutated into another form, one that will resist the first
antibiotic prescribed to me. They are called Superbugs. This is my
understanding. I could be in error of the exact explanation.

Wait a second. You said the big hippie had Staph. Now you say you
have Strept. Strept is short for Streptococcus, a gram-positive cocci
bacteria which grows in chains; Strept is not catalase positive; that
is
it does not cause hydrogen peroxide to bubble.

It is entirely possible that the antibiotic did not eliminate the
infection.
It would be useful to know the name of the antibiotic they prescribed.
Very likely the microbe that regrew was the same microbe. You will
only know by culturing it. A good physician will also determine to
which antibiotics that microbe has resistance, and prescribe
antibiotics
appropriate to hinder the growth of the microbe. Note that
antibiotics
often do not actually kill the microbe, but inhibit their ability to
grow.
It is up to your own immune system to kill and eliminate the microbe.

Superbugs refer to microbes which have multiple resistances to many
different antibiotics. It is a sensationalist word. A physician who
has
cultured and done antibiotic susceptibility testing will know the
difference.

I had decided to NOT to return to the hospital, right away, to let
them try to find an antibiotic that might work.

No. You should have had the new sore cultured right then to see if
it had developed any resistances to the antibiotic you were taking or
any other antibiotics (by horizontal gene transfer...)

This is considered dangerous by most in the medical system, so I do
not recommend anyone do this, but my action, after some research,
seemed the most logical.

illogical to me. How are they going to find an antibiotic if you
don't let them culture.

Instead, I am now on a bunch of natural antibiotics. I am confident
that I might find a safer solution to my dilema. And I have to build
up my immune system or next time could prove crippling or fatal.

Name the antibiotics please. It helps people help you.

After a week on the natural antibiotics, I will be going back to the
hospital tomorrow since I think I should get a culture done to find
out what bacterial infection I have and the pain of this only ONE sore
is just too much for me to take ....terribly painful and it probably
needs to be lanced. Double yucko!
At least, the natural antibiotics in my system will protect the good
bacteria from being destroyed by any prescribed stronger antibiotics.
Healthy people can do this to build up their immune system at any
time....but once you get an infection, its a little too late...like
for me. At least I tried.

probiotics support the growth of your normal flora of bacteria.

> But with the following info, here is why I am somewhat skiddish to
go

back to the hospital:

In US hospitals, every year:
1.2 million patients every year get infected with MRSA,
Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus
423,00 become colonized with it
100,000 die from it.
These numbers do not cover staph or strep.

again MRSA is staph, but not strep

I don't know where you got your statistics, but Wikipedia says:
95 million americans carry Staph, and 2.5 million americans carry MRSA
Community acquired infections from Staph outnumber Hospital acquired
infections of staph.
Where did you get infected? not at a hospital...

Methicillin is the base ingrediant for all antibiotics.

Methicillin is an antibiotic with a beta-lactam structure,
it is in the same class as penicillin, amoxacillin, ampicillin;
notice the trend: most of these antibiotics have the suffix: -cillin.

There are many antibiotics which are structurally unrelated to
Methicillin.

The success rate of antibiotics have been declining since the 1980's.
This is attributed to the 50 million prescriptions per year of
antibiotics prescribed for viral infections which are proven useless.
It only works on bacterial infections. Also, all the antibiotics
injected into our meat and water supply, which then get into the
consumers body, has caused the worse damage. They predict that we
have a 15 year window before the Superbugs totally wipe out the
effectiveness of antibiotics.

Much of this has the ring of truth. I doubt that antibiotics will be
rendered
useless in 15 years or 100 years. Antibiotics are actually like
chemical
weapons developed by microbes to hinder the growth of other microbes.
As long as microbes exist, there will be antibiotics.

80% of the staph virus lives in our nose. You could be a carrier,
I probably am....hard to say. If one sneezes or rubs or picks nose,
then it is on their hands. Unless washed off, it gets deposited
wherever hands touch. Then the next person gets it on their hands.
The bacteria has to come in contact with open sores or wounds,
scrapes, bug bites, squeezed pimples, etc. You can't get it thru
saliva or snot contact, even tho it lies dormant in it. And it can
last a hundred years or indefintely.

So wash your hands, or use an alcohol base sanitizer.

Few microbes can survive outside of the host more than a week.

I wonder if this can be bottled and be used as a weapon of "hidden"
destruction? H'mmmm......

yes it can, has been, is being, and will be used as such...

The two main natural antibiotics I am using are: Collodial Silver and
a super L.Acidopholus They, also, if used, can act as a preventative
for healthy people, with no adverse side affects. And there aremany
other natural antibiotics.

Truely Colloidal Silver Suspension (not ionic silver solution) is an
antibiotic.

L.Acidopholus is more of a probiotic, or a healthy normal flora
addition to
your gut microbial community.

Keep me in your prayers. This is wreaking total havoc in my body.
And it is very painful....like a continuous burn.

The Staph is using toxins on you. Yes, very similar to a burn.
Sometimes it is called Scalded Skin Syndrome. Sometimes Toxic Shock.

My research led me to these 3 websites:

A very effective hand sanitizers in preventing infection from Staph or
Strep or Ecoli:http://www.antisepticausa.com/sanitizers.php

This website was the most informative on Colloidial Silver. Tons of
other sites. You can make it yourself!http://www.newfoundationspubl.org/silver.htm

Here is the super strong acidolphilus website....check out the
strength of the ingrediants....much more than regular yogurt....!
http://www.yourethecure.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=10&sub...

Peace & Love....the Proffessor, and Undefined dammit!

You might also research the herb Comfrey (Symphytum Officianale),
A poultice applied to these skin sores will help hinder the survival
of the
invading infectious microbe, and will also promote epithelial growth
to
cure the wound - particularly useful with persistent ulcerating type
wounds.

Aloe Vera is an excellent topical healing agent. It will also inhibit
the
bacteria like an antibiotic. Aloe helps coordinate the elements of
your
skins immune system to properly respond to the infection.

Use soap and water first to clean the wound out. Hydrogen peroxide
or Alcohol to help kill the bugs. Then apply whatever fresh poultice
you prepare.

Good luck, Aesc

Here's Cassy's reply forwarded once again: -w-

Twothumbsblu@xxxxxxx wrote:
From: Twothumbsblu@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: healing
To: thirdwaveswan@xxxxxxxxx


Hi Swan and Woodstock....could you post this, one more time? Thank
you.

Rainbow family,

OK I am back from the emergency room. Thank you for your replys.

Long story short, I have defintely underestimated this infection.

My first infection, diagnosed as Strep, was quite disfiguring....sores
on face, neck, wrist, infected finger nails, fingers, ankles, and an
abcess in the lower calf. So when only one bump appeared on my
shoulder last week, it seemed so minor compared to what I had the
previous month.

I chose the natural antibiotic route because it would be the most
desired route of healing, and one with the least adverse side effects.
I thought it would be a good opportunity to try the natural
antibiotics, which are easily available without a prescription. The
$1,200 ER bill, and now doubled, was another reason to find an
alternative solution.

My plan was that if other sores started appearing, then I would have
sought medical help immediately.

But the lone bump abcessed and was much more painful than the first
infection. The culture will be done tomorrow as to determine what
bacteria it is. But its outward appearance was totally different from
the Strep. This stuff is real dangerous and unpredictable.
Hopefully, my 5 days of taking the natural antibiotics will help my
body fight this new infection.

So now, in the future, any sign of infection, I will go to the nearest
emergency room.

And, yes, the hippie who I thought gave me the infection, could not
have, since he was diagnosed with Staph and I with Strep. So that
means I got it elsewhere. He was relieved to find out and I realized
that doing self prevention is so much more important than finding
blame.

This is my first experience with this. I hope what I have shared and
the AGR discussion of it will help inform others.



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