Re: Worthy Assay (thanks sca)

On Jul 31, 9:48 am, Sanity <sanity-cla...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 31, 7:00 am, whistler <whistler...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:03:00 -0500
From: "scottie a." <s...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Regional Gatherings and the USFS
To: Karin Zirk <kz...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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waylate 29jy07, and beyond

Just a few clarifications & addenda --

Karin sed:

Recently, some folks in New Mexico focalized a regional gathering.
For reasons I am in the dark on, they chose not to
try to utilize the method used for the Annual Gathering in
Arkansas (working with resource people ahead of time to
find a site that met the needs of Rainbow and the USFS
in order to avoid the permit requirement and have the ability
to work out an unsigned operating plan).

Consider the caveats...
-- Very few people were involved in the 'Rainbow
Accommodation' in Arkansas, or knew of the
elements & limits of the deal. Info & discussion
on-site were minimal... many folks thought the
'Permit' thang was over, had no clue that Rey's
"experiment" was for this Annual Gathering only
-- especially the Road Kidz.
-- The sense of many in Arkansas was that the
deal didn't work as a peace measure anyway, since
LEO's landed on the gathering with both feet
regardless of the postures in DC.
-- The "Operation Plan" in Arkansas was a
surrogate for a Permit, still engaging the
"Rainbow Family" as a group obligated to its
terms... so what's the difference?
-- The Kidz tend to figger that the Elders/High
Holies handle this stuff, because they hate this
bull*** and they have never been included in
strategic discussions.
-- Same old Trap: Folks arrive on-site to START
dealing with the situation, and wake up with more
than 75 unknown people around them in the area,
and everybody ALREADY in violation, just like the
cops planned it.

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GARRICK*****************

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Even so, there were a bunch of last minute
dialogues. No question if there had been more
time, we could have steered the event into legal
territory. As it was, first the leo?s issued
tickets, maybe about 25 of them, folks scattered
into the woods and the leo?s gave everybody an
hour [it was late in the day] to leave, an
eviction order.

The next day they came back and arrested a total
of nine people. All people who had gotten tix
the day before; and they gave out about 25 more
tickets and they blocked the road turning
everyone who came up there away. This wasn?t a
checkpoint. This was a closure, period.

I spoke again with Deputy Supervisor Dan
Rael Friday afternoon. He reported 11 arrests
Friday: 10 on unspecified Fed charges, and those
folks were transported to the detention center in
Bernalillo (N. of Albuquerque) for arraignment
Saturday morning. One (1) other person was
arrested on State charges by Sheriff officers of
Rio Arriba County, and taken to jail in Tierra
Amarilla (I believe), the county seat. I called
John McCall in Albuquerque to notify him of this,
and he followed up with calls to track the
situation the next day.

Problem: Don't take this bizness of
arrests and site closure for granted. The
original 'Group Use' rule publications did not
contemplate such outcomes... in fact, it was
stated that a court order would be required to
remove people from public land if no permit was
signed, as a last resort. And in the early era
of citing alleged 'Leaders', there was no notion
of arresting anyone on the spot, much less
evicting everyone in the area.

The change came with I.C. Malcolm Jowers
with his mass-citation tactics and other rude
moves since Feb. '01 at Ocala -- and the Feds'
loose construction of the 'Johnson Test' (Katuah
trials, Oct. '96, 3rd Circuit ruling Oct. '98)
and the Masel ruling (Aug.'99) -- making
Everybody guilty for what Somebody did not do, a
bizarre distortion of basic criminal law.
Next came the closures at the Arizona regional
(March '02) and the Annual Rainbow Gathering in
Michigan (June '02). This had not been done
before, nor was this identified as a possible
course of administrative action upon an alleged
misdemeanor violation.
It finally devolved to the blockade of the Glady
Forks site in WVa (June '05), before people could
get in (no thanks to Jeff Kline's disclosures to
the Feds in DC) -- an unprecedented action to
exclude the public from public land, based on the
permit requirement that is unmeetable for such
gatherers.

So let's get real: Folks in NM did
nothing that was not always lawful before --
camping and cooperating in the National Forest.
The crisis arises in the flaws of the 'Group Use'
regulation, the escalations of law enforcement
and usurpations of new powers. Challenges to
date have been most difficult due to the unique
circumstances of the gatherings, their
remoteness, transience, lack of resources, and
the aversions of hippies to any such legaloid
crap.

It is dangerous now to buy into such
tactics... they remain extraordinary under law,
discriminatory and extremist as agency policy.
If 'peace moves' seek temporary, discretionary
relief from harassment and leave these powers in
place, the price is too high.

SP ? who was in town, then met with the deputy
forest supervisor and gave the FS an application
for special use, Not a permit application,
technically, because he offered no
name-of-person-who-will-sign-on-behalf-of-anybody.
He did give a contact person name, but didn?t
sign the application for special use on the line
at the bottom. The Deputy Forest Supervisor [who
was the district ranger during the very sweet nm
1995 annual rainbow] told Sp he couldn?t accept
the application because even it wasn?t signed.

That was on Thursday nite, after the first
ticketing, but before people were arrested and
the road blocked.

It was Thursday afternoon when SP went in
and left an unsigned Application. I learned of
this when I spoke with Dan Rael shortly
thereafter, and told him that SP was
fundamentally correct in doing so -- showing good
faith in notifying the FS and seeking
authorization of a special use, but legally
unable to represent or sign for a "group" as
defined in the FS-2700-3b Permit.
it was a good talk, I gave him the whole spiel:
Above & beyond any philosophical creed or
'Rainbow beliefs' in non-hierarchy, it is a legal
FACT that no such "group" exists; the controversy
persists because the Permit rule was always a
trap for the gatherings, and the
cops-lawyers-judges were too mean-stupid-drunk to
get it.

They had and have no intention of 'getting it.' Get it? They are
reasonable people that cannot and will not be bothered to reason with
serfs. Trying to get them to "get it" over and over with the same
tactic that has never worked, expecting different results, is crazy.

To deal with an oligarchy, or any other self justified aristocracy by
any other name, one must act from a position of power, not as a suck
up seeking favor. Asking for an "accomidation" = "Please Mr. Tyrant
may we enjoy our God given and constitutionally secured right of
peaceable assembly on our own land?" = asking for permission. "to
permit" = "to license" = "to allow" Get it? I hope somebody 'gets
it' because the High Holy ones that keep sucking up to the Gummint do
not.

Sleep with dogs - wake with fleas. Play with pigs - pig *** mud...
Gandhi didn't ask permissions of the tyrants occupying his country, he
declared general strikes and told them to 'GET OUT!' Ghandi's tactics
would require solidarity.

Peace, Sanity

[chomp]

Yet you still offer no solutions other than "don't do this" and "don't
do that"...

Same old rhetoric.. Get it?

No permit this year and still no Marty, Sanity, or Preacha Bill on the
land. Your words ring hollow.

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