Re: What Atheists Can't Answer

On Jul 16, 10:58 pm, Buddhaish420 <toddmthomp...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 16, 2:33 pm, tetrehedronicrystal <boisenberryfie...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



On Jul 16, 8:56 pm, Buddhaish420 <toddmthomp...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:15 pm, tetrehedronicrystal <boisenberryfie...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jul 16, 8:09 pm, Buddhaish420 <toddmthomp...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ha. Except when you consider that what goes around comes around - aka
karma actually works. It's a Universal Law like gravity is a physical
one. So, ultimately, although it might seem selfish, you are elevating
yourself as well as mankind when you act with kindness and compassion
and virtually destroying the world when the alternate route is taken.

~o~

I agree that acting with kindness and compassion is a great idea but
also very subjective. For example, a few years back greenpeace and
others blocked a shipment of GM grain to africa. They considered it an
act of compassion because of the small chance of 'future' health
problems from eating the grain. But then starvating is killing people
right now. So what's more compassionate, put people at risk of
furture, possibly treatable, illness or let them die now? Did anyone
bother to ask what the people wanted? (sorry, old but bleeding wound
from their act of compassion)

That's a tough call. If you know something is potentially lethal, do
you relent and feed it to a starving person just to stave off his/her
hunger? Wouldn't that constitute as murder?



That's why you have to weigh the risk and let the person make an
informed decission about what's good for them.

If a person is starving to death, are they in a position to make an
*informed* decision?

Withholding food would
also constitute murder. Allowing people to choose for themselves based
on the best information we can give them is the only way to keep the
blood off our hands.

Or to ensure that the starving people receive alternative healthy and
life-sustaining food, doing everything possible to ensure they receive
it quickly, it is rationed out honestly with supervision if needed,
and to help them feed themselves if they no longer have the strength
to do so. When all else pray for forgiveness that not all humanly
possible was done and make it a lesson for all humanity to be learned
so that never again would such an atrocity be committed against human
life.




Karma is just another form of god, another cosmic judge to dispense
reward and punishment without context and just as nonexistent...

Every thought, word, action is measured, weighed and considered by
the Living Universe that records and remembers and reverberates it
back as energy. If that ain't context, I don't know what is.

~o~

Well... that ain't context so... Need I ask for evidence of this
karma? Or at least defintion... One belief of karma allows for reward
and/or punishment for actions from previous lives. Since few; by my
account none, have recall of past lives how can they know what actions
bring reward and what brings punishment. That's what I mean by
context. There are as many concepts about karma as there are people
who have concieved it which is why it's to ambiguous to be a guide.
Furthermore you make the assumption that people want good karma.


Karma is a vast energy encompassing and passing through all channels
that connect man on the physical realm to that of the spiritual and to
his higher soul and ultimately to the Creator. It's a virtual fibre-
optic cable that runs from hearts, minds and lower souls and functions
as a force of residue - the base sum - of interactions and all
relationships - between man and others. This energy is sent out in the
world in forms of thought, word and deed. Action - Reaction. Good
reflects back good and evil is reflected back to the sender as well.
Examples can run from someone sending hate, harboring resentment in
their heart and that coming back to them as depression, anxiety,
addictions, heart disease or heart attack. Or a country can accrue
karma as well, towns, families - basically any body - individual or
collective can accrue communal karma. Karma is merit or debt. In the
case of merit - if you are generous, compassionate, loving and
forgiving that will be reflected back to you. Like attracts like.
Karmic debts and merits are paid in full regardless of how many
lifetimes it is required. Karma can be carried over from previous
lifetimes. If someone steals, they will be stolen from in some way -
parking ticket, extra taxes, outright theft or some form of loss will
transpire - this holds true to that vast and the miniscule. The
Universe notices everything and no one gets a free ride. Karmic debts
*can* sometimes be wiped clean, but this is a matter of decisions from
the higher realms. After all, karma is just one law. There are courts
designated for doling out mercy as well and then the debt is reduced
in severity - due to remorse and pentinance shown by the recipient.



Perhaps I'm just jaded but I believe that the universe is indifferent
to the human concepts of good and evil. You should treat people well
because all people deserve to be treated well not because you'll be
rewarded for it or punished for not.

If the Universe is *indifferent* where do you get that people ought to
treat one another well? If the Universe is indifferent, then we need
to be indifferent too! Microcosm/Macrocosm. Where is this teaching
coming from?

You should temper your actions by
the thoughts and feelings of those being acted upon and people who
look to the heavens for guidence usually don't see the people they
step on.

:)

~o~


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