Re: Castro Doesn't Feel Good

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:56:36 -0700, Sanity wrote:

Shava_X wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:53:15 -0700, Sanity wrote:


Shava_X wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:33:29 -0700, Sanity wrote:


Shava_X wrote:
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:01:45 -0700, Sanity wrote:

"I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free-" C&W
rah rah puff your chest out and suport the war because 'we' gotta
support the troops propaganda song. "at least I know I'm free" is the
most hang-dog expression I've heard so far.
I support the troops, not the war.

...


What the hell are You going on about?

Simply, the distinction between society and government.
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm

I like what Fidel has done for Cuba in spite of the politicians in
Washington and the price on his head the CIA put there, as do the vast
majority of Cubans. It's their country and they have the right to self
determination. http://www.un.org/rights/50/decla.htm

Peace,
Sanity


Ok, i do agree with You that it is there country, and they should be the
ones deciding how to run it. So far they, even though the U.S. disagrees
with their choices.

That's a metonymy. "the U.S." has never been of one mind to agree on
anything, in point of fact "the U.S." is a human construct, a creature
of mind only.
"metonymy" = use of the name of one thing for that of another
associated with it (e.g., the White House has decided" for "the
President has decided").

...


Try not to get side tracked on semantic issues.

Kiss off, my writen thoughts are not just some antics.

It makes no difference
that the U.S. has never truly been of one mind on anything.

"the U.S." has no mind at all. The US is not a Borg Collective.

"Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." - J.K. Rowling

Cuba is not
of one mind on Castro as a leader either.

So what? The government of that island is up to its populace and no
one else. http://www.un.org/rights/50/decla.htm I have rejected the US
Gummint's teaching that I must hate Fidel Castro, not that I like him
either, it's just simply none of my business what the government of
that domain is unless and until it threatens me. Likewise, the US
Congress and "our" president have no jurisdiction to pursue the
interests of Cubans, for representation without election is fraud. The
UN is relivant. The US has no jurisdiction to police the Earth.

The fact remains that U.S.
Foreign Policy, through a succession of leaders (in the White House and
the State Department) going back more than 50 years to Eisenhower, and
with the full support of Congress, has been very hostile to Cuba under
Castro's rule. That the "U.S.", or the "White House", or even "Congress"
is an aspect of a socially created reality, rather than a concrete one,
makes no significant difference.

Nonsense, the employment of metonymy is a dodge of responsibility and
accountability; moreover, the "U.S.", the "White House", and the
"Congress" are servants of big money not the general populace of the
United States.

"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more
converts than reason." - Thomas Piane

"Dogmatic traditions really suck." - Jesus, Mt 15: et seq.
[paraphraised] :^)

The decisions made by those bodies have
real and tangible effects.

It is the people holding office in "those bodies" that do the deciding,
NOT the offices they inhabit, and they are certainly not representing
my interests.

Pulling out the dictionary and throwing around
little used terms is nothing more than a poorly disguised red herring, a
logical fallacy.

The reason the term 'metonymy' is "little used" especially by the
corporate media and the Gummint is it sheds Light on the dodge of
accountability the practice has afforded such sophists for ages. The
"red herring" here in our discorse is your attempt to discount the
meaning of a term solely by stating it is seldom employed... Get real.
%~\

Loving Light,
Sanity Clause RE

Dubya takes vacations because, like a cordless vacume, he has to
recharge to suck.


You certainly are the jumble of logical fallacies. Appeal to Authority is
as much a fallacy as a red herring.

The decisions that come from the White House, or Congress, or the Supreme
Court, or any other institution are not decision of any one individual.
The are the result or a process and are as influenced by the institution
which facilitates them as by any person acting within that institution.
Using the term 'White House' or 'Bush Administration' is far more accurate
than attributing a given decision to George W. Bush, or any other
president. Referring to the institution which facilitated the decision
only a dodge to those few people who lack the intellectual capacity to
understand how they work.



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