Re: Why unconstitutional laws must always be disobeyed


Thunder wrote:
"Shava_X" <voodopeople@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:34:54 +0000, Thunder wrote:


"David" <ny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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That Guy 7@xxxxx wrote:
The Constitution does not give or grant rights, it
states
that God . . .
as the "Creator."

David ny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
Guy, please tell us what article and section number in
the
Constitution says
what you claim it says.


Try the Declaration of Independence. Remember, the
document
which attested to the autonomy of that newly concieved
political entity, "the thirteen United States of
America"?

You already knew the answer anyway.

...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with
certain unalienable rights, that among these are life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The following excerpt from a cover letter written by
John
Han*** and attached to the Declaration shows:


"Gentlemen, Although it is not possible to foresee the
consequences of human actions, yet it is nevertheless a
duty
we owe ourselves and posterity in all our public
councils to
decide in the best manner we are able and to trust the
event
to That Being who governs both causes and events, so as
to
bring about his own determinations.

Impressed with this sentiment, and at the same time
fully
convinced that our affairs will take a more favorable
turn,
The Congress have judged it necessary to dissolve all
connection between Great Britain and the American
Colonies,
and to declare them free and independent States as you
will
perceive by the enclosed Declaration, which I am
directed to
transmit to you."

Here we see the second referral to a deity, "That
Being", in
our historical founding documents.

...


You must be aware that both of those documents, the
Declaration of
Independence and the Cover Letter You cite, have
absolutely no legal
effect. They did not then, and they not now.

The Declaration of Independence is not what made the
United States
independent from the England. It was a formality, a
nicety, like a
declaration of war. It was the Revolutionary War which
made the United
States independent from England. If that War had not
come, or if its
outcome had been different, the Declaration of
Independence would be
nothing more than an obscure historical footnote
occasionally used as a
summary of certain Enlightenment era views.



Maybe true, but I was simply referencing the mentions of
deity, for the record. As far as legal effect is concerned,
why should I be more concerned with legalities than G. W.
Bush? I'm not, actually, since none of it means a hill of
beans anyway. Apparently, the legal authorities can run and
trample roughshod over any legalities they choose, so where
and what legal documentation should affect me?

Bottom line is if you don't do what they say, you might get
shot to death. Fine by me if anyone wants to try.

My continual references to legal documents vis-a-vis the
treatment the people suffer at the hands of the legal
authorities is merely meant to highlight hypocrisies.

I still maintain that all rights seized unto themselves by
the people, provided they do not infringe the rights of
others, are God-given, irrespective of pieces of paper.

Peace.


Thunder


I tend to defer to Jefferson on such matters, he was such a reasonable
Man.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

Dave

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