Re: Peace: was/Re: To hell with the reg's

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the
country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag
the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials



The quote cited above does not appear in transcripts of the Nuremberg trials
because although Goering spoke these words during the course of the
proceedings, he did not offer them at his trial. His comments were made
privately to Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and
psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners
held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of
the proceedings and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later
published in the book Nuremberg Diary. The quote offered above was part of a
conversation Gilbert held with a dejected Hermann Goering in his cell on the
evening of 18 April 1946, as the trials were halted for a three-day Easter
recess:

"Sanity RE" <sanity-clause@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1136214014.761734.162860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> woodstock wrote:
>> <.>
>>
>> So you think defending me when you know the attacks are unfounded makes
>> up for your own unfounded attacks on me? (rolls eyes) So what "bull" is
>> it that you seem to want to make stick to this day? All I recall is
>> stuff that you assume or had an opinion on. I think it's perfectly
>> legit for example that people don't like drinking, and, for that
>> matter, the fact that I drink beer. The fact is I drink and you can
>> call me on it anytime, and I don't have a problem with it cuz it's
>> true. OTOH, if you call me on something that isn't true based on
>> assumtions or incomplete info, then that is bull in and of itself. It
>> matters not whether you like me or not, or even understand me- as long
>> as you speak the truth when you talk about me.
>> -woodstock-
>>
>> <.>
>
> Yup. Truthfullness is the bottom line. Truth that everyone can see
> that is. Truth based upon social status (Big Brother said it!) a form
> of team loyalty is often mistaken for cogent thought and even
> scientific facts because of deeply seated emotions, examples: 1- the
> semi successful "Support the Troops!" campaign that is really, sub
> rosa, calling all Peacenicks unpatriotic*; and, 2- the "Permits don't
> matter!" lie that is told so that 'color of law' wrought by the corrupt
> government can annull Freedom of assembly, replace it with licensed
> privilege, and attach the property of unsuspecting victims via the
> agency of Paper Chiefs.
> http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/permits/forms.htm "9. The holder shall
> be liable for any injury, loss, damage, including fire suppression
> costs and environmental harm or injury to natural resources, that
> arises in connection with the use and occupancy authorized by this
> permit."
>
> *"All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
> denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
> to danger." - Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering
>
> Sanity RE
>


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