Re: Letter from Michael Moore


Connie wrote:
> I'm not lying.

Connie,let me take this opportunity to apologize for some of the
hi-jinks that went on with us before the elections. The same apology
goes out to Thistle and Thunder as well. You are a fine activist,
Connie, and i have always admired your dedication.
strange dayz:

Newsgroups: alt.gathering.rainbow
From: "bodhi" <The_Psychedelic_Tour...@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 28 Oct 2004 08:36:19 -0700
Subject: Vote or DIE - P. Diddy and his crew gonna git ya!

Sean (P.Diddy) Combs, and his "crew" of gangsta thugs have been
reported "wilding" across America threating shop owners, little old
ladies, and church attendees into either voting in November or "getting
capped".
"Everybody in the neighborhood is frightened" said one resident
Kimberly Walshay, "i mean, they have taken over the local polling
stations here and have access to our names and addresses. They have
threaten to kill anyone that dosen't show up to vote."
The message seem to be clear this year - either vote out that "White
Honky Bush" and vote in the "White Bread Kerry", or face the
consequences.......
One gang member who did not wish to give his name said,"Yo!We ain't
playin' around this time,hear? That Bush cracker is goin' down and we
aim to make it happen."
When asked about voting for John Kerry, he said," That mo fo ain't
gonna be no problem to us when he gets elected. We're his new
constituancy, dig?"

Newsgroups: alt.gathering.rainbow
From: westxnws...@xxxxxxxxx (skye)
Date: 21 Sep 2004 22:19:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Save us from disinformation! (was Re: Love Masochism? Vote
BushCo!)

Both youse guys get a big 'HO!' and a hug
[[[[[[[[[[thistle]]]]]]]]]]
((((((((((bodhi))))))))))

You both very-much spoke from the heart, with compassion and wisdom,
and not a little awareness of the world's pain and suffering;

Having enjoyed and been inspired by your deep words many times, Bodhi,
I couldn't quite believe -- nor took -- your 'enthusiastic'
endorsement of Bush as a gleeful thing, deliberately inciting the
occasion of a more-immanent catastrophe so to encourage a mass-protest
and awakening of the nation to the foulness and rot at the core of our
governmental and economic institutions, and that has become part of our
national character; A bit of experimental shock-therapy guerrilla
theatre, perhaps, and/or some outraged over-the-top (kinda) venting;



Newsgroups: alt.gathering.rainbow
From: The_Psychedelic_Tour...@xxxxxxxxx (bodhi)
Date: 22 Sep 2004 08:34:56 -0700
Subject: AN OPEN LETTER TO MICHAEL MOORE

This is a copy of an e-mail i just sent to Michael Moore in response to
an open letter he sent to all his "followers". Be warned, it contains
some serious commentary from me, as well as some wit. Can you tell the
difference??

Michael writes:
> Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to >come
> there and personally calm you down?

whaaatz up Michael? The suburban soccer moms getting nervous on ya??

> Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS
> a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop >shaking
> like a bunch of nervous ninnies.

"defeatism"? Or an honest apprasial of the situation? The ship is
sinking, Mike. Time to get the lifeboats ready. Women and Children
first, remember.

> Geez, this is embarrassing!

No, YOU'RE embarrassing, Michael. Trying to hold our hands like
nervous school children crossing a busy intersection.

> The Republicans are laughing at us.

No, EVERYONE is laughing at us. If you would tear yourself away from
your "Hate Bush" weenies, you would see that it's more than the
Republicans that are laughing at you.

> Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are
> finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!"

Possibly because no matter how much your loath to admit it, the
Republican held their Convention in which they stood up proud of GW
Bush and his record - no matter how misguided it is. THEY'RE going to
the Polls with a MISSION, unlike you and your "Left Coast" minions who
will be hand wringing and holding their noses for Kerry.

> Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They
> are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that
> never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying.

Strange as it might seem to you Michael, the Republicans are voting
this year on PRINCIPLE.

> They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just
> simply never, ever give up.

It's called CONVICTION, and believing what your candidate stands for.

> Only 30% of the country calls itself
> "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both >houses
> of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. > How do
> you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority?

Again, it might be their CONVICTIONS and PRINCIPLES and living their
BELIEFS - no matter how wrong headed they may appear to you.

> It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for
> breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the
>planet.

Or, it could be that they see the Liberals are morally bankrupt in
their ideas and principles and are taking full advantage of this fact.
We make a big fuss about the illegal and immoral war in Irag and then
we have weenies like you trying to convince us to vote for a candidate
who pledges to continue the same illegal and immoral War!! We make a
big fuss about a illegal and immoral wall being erected in Israel that
is seperating the Palestinians from the rest of Israel, then we have
weenies like you trying to convince us to vote for a candidate that
wants to continue the same policy!! We make a big fuss over the illegal
and immoral passage of the "Patriot Act"and then we have weenies like
you trying to convince us to vote for a man who VOTED for the passage
of the very same Act !!! No, Michael, get a FUCKING CLUE!
The Liberals are eating *themselves* for breakfast.

> Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies.

yeah, and if we had stood up for a candidate like Howard Dean instead
of a wishy washy Kerry we'd be in a position of strength right now
instead of crying like 3 year olds afraid of the boogerman in the dark.
You and your Liberal friends can wet your diapers all you want, but
others fortunately are taking the bull by the horns and are planning
for 4 more years of GW Bush. It's time to batten down the hatches and
make sure the powder is dry.

> Bush gets a bounce after his
> convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through >Poland again.
> The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming!

Big Fuckin' Deal. Bush has so many skeletons in his closet that all it
would take would be someone with moral courage to stand up to him.
Kitty Kelly has got bigger balls than Kerry!

> Yes, they caught
> Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing.

Kerry shot his OWN foot off by lying about his Vietnam record. Don't
blame the Vietnam Vets for not wanting to support Kerry.

> Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it.

Don't blame the Republicans because CBS tried to manufacture phony
evidence of Bush's service records. They got caught in a lie and you
want to blame the Republicans??? Sheeet. You are a weenie!

> If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry
> is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate --
> he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even
>lose the elections they win!

Halleluya, the angels do sing!

> What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up
> the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him
>don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

And this is where i feel the most ashamed of you Michael. Your hatred
and fear of George Bush is so extreme that you would rather convince us
to vote for the devil himself if his last name wasn't Bush. Sorry, my
friend, but i live my life based on my principle and beliefs.
Always will. That's why the path ahead of us divides and i will be
taking the path least visited. You and the Left Coast Baby Boomer
Yuppies have long ago sold out the principles you once fought in the
streets for. i feel sorry for you. Maybe the next four years under Bush
will make you see the light.

> Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass
> campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of >those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for >president -- Kerry
> is.

Feeling so weak and helpless and afraid, are we??? Is this what it has
all come down to? 8 years of Clinton and you can't look your children
in the eyes. No wonder they despise you.

> So quit complaining and work with what we have.

What do we have Michael?? A whiny and pathetic rambling from an
overgrown kid? Backing a weak and dishonest loser for president
because we're afraid of the dark?? Thank god i don't live in the
universe you inhabit.

> Oprah just gave 300
> women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and
> screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were
>happy.
> The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want > more
> than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good
> year. And it was a VERY good year.

And the only solution to Kerry according to your website is a write-in
for Oprah????

> My friends, it is time for a reality check.

JeezUS H. Christ! Read what you just wrote in the paragraph above and
tell me about the "Reality Check"

> 1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On >Friday,
> one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both >tied.
> There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling
> "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the
> past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the
> first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS
> election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone >as
> their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young >people
><http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-nybres163973220sep16,>
0,5025667.co
> lumn> . Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many >Republicans,
> as pollster John Zogby revealed last week
> <http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=859> . You are being > snookered if
> you believe any of these polls.

In the realm
of a dying sun, the losers always blame the polls.

> 2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton
> (as
> Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

Jesus, the white knight in all this mess is a convicted liar and moral
cesspool. Thanks for making me feel better.

> 3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there
> is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by
> the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real.

It is more real than you can imagine. Start adressing the young people
in this country. LISTEN to them! Quite hanging out with these Trust
Fund Trendies - these Limo Liberals - These middle aged, middle class
sell out Liberals Wankers! The kids are where the future lies. This is
where you will find you courage and your moral certainity.

> Do not let those
> well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you.


Michael, i attended a march during the RNC in New York that contained
over a half a million people strong!!! We took over the streets of New
York City. The power of the people is alot stronger than the nervious
nellies Liberals you've been pandering too. The Young people in this
country are angry. They are angry at folks like Bush. They are angry at
folks like Kerry, and if you keep up this snivelling, they will be
angry at you.

> Turn off the TV!
> (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a
> sugar-coated lie).

How about just turning off the T.V. PERIOD and picking up a book??

> 4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the >fear
> of terrorism), Bush wins.

Instead, let's turn it around and vote on the fear of Bush. Fear is
Fear, Michael, and it's an ugly way to get people to the polls. Don't
you realize that??

> But if it is decided on the job we are doing in
> Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has
> descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is
> no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will
> sadly only mount higher.

And what are the War Hawks in the Democratic Party's solution?? Pull
out the troops?? Nope. It's their promise to manage the war better
than what the Republicans are doing.
Do you really believe that Michael??
That we need a better manager??

> Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the
>one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle
>America knows it.

Sadly Michael, this is where you are soooo wrong. This is your blind
spot. This is why you live in fear. Kerry could've taken a moral stand
then, but he didn't. Mr and Mrs Middle America know it and thats why
Kerry is going to lose this November.

> Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in
> the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize
>an immoral war that cannot be "won."

And what is Kerry's excuse for supporting Iraq? What is yours? Where
were you during Vietnam? Where were the Liberals that are pointing
fingers?? The majority were hiding out in college and getting their
girlfriends pregnate. Remember when you point your finger, 3 are
pointed back at you...

> So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you
> to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy >chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush.


i hate to break this to you Michael, but the sun will still rise the
day after a Bush Victory. If you could get over this pathetic
cheerleading and hand wringing and start discussing the REAL issues we
need to get started on after Bush is elected, you could accomplish much
more in the long run. We learned a important lesson this time around
that will help us 4 years from now. You can't expect committed people
to vote for a candidate who dosen't share our values, and you can't
expect folks to vote out of fear. Learn these lessons Michael,
you got 4 years of Bush to hammer home the principles of honesty and
moral conviction to the fickle Liberal crowd you hang out with.

>They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't
> windsurf
> and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying > about WMD
> and Saddam planning 9/11.


Get a clue Michael !!! JESUS!!! It's not about THEM! It's about
US!!!!!!!!!
WE wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf, WE wish we had a
candidate who wasn't a moral flip flopper. WE wish we had a candidate
we could BELIEVE in. ....And all the King's horses, and all the King's
men, are not going to be able to fix THAT!

>It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry



> voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor
> theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."


*** Karl Rove!!
It's assholes like you who are trying to hyponotize us into voting for
a loser like Kerry when we should be rallying around a moral giant like
Ralph Nader!

> Yes...Yes...Yesssss...He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I > need
> is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

Just hold yer nose and vote for Kerry, right?? But be sure not to look
at yourself in the mirror the day after the elections. No matter who
wins,you may not like who you see in the mirror.

> WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are
> pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault
> weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong.

And they're all gonna trek down to the polls because they live their
lives in fear, Right???

> YOU
> DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST > HAVE TO GIVE
> THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS.

Just bull*** them with your brand of fear. Hell, pump them with enuff
fear and you could convince them to vote for Donald Duck!

> CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO
> THAT?

is this the moment the preacha passes around the collection plate??

> Just for me, please?

Sorry, Michael, but i'm not gonna sell my principles out because
you're wetting your pants. But we WILL win, and we'll get our day in
the sun - just not in November. It will take courage. It will take
principles, it will take moral honesty, but we'll win.

> Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands.

and i have some real estate in the Arizona desert i want to sell you.

>Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd!

just bury your head in the sand, eh??

> Then you can bitch all you want about
> how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the
> >courage
> to stand up for something.

Do you realize HOW pathetic you sound Michael??? i don't KNOW you
people, and i wouldn't want my kids to know you either.

> Personally, I think that kid is still inside him.

JESUS, this IS Pathetic.

> Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a
> >hand
> to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the
>forces
> of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?


i have a choice. To either vomit now, or wait until i finish replying
to your letter.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
mmfl...@xxxxxxx


The_Psychedelic_Tour...@xxxxxxxxx (bodhi) wrote in message
<news:6f352af3.0409211528.11221f48@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
> ahhhhh, do you hear that sound??

> It's Michael and the band playing "Nearer To Thee, O God" on the U.S. Titanic....


> namaste;
> bodhi
>
>
> "bodhi" <The_Psychedelic_Tourist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1126654352.953381.195410@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Connie wrote:
> > > To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:
> > >
> > > (also to Bodhi, who tirelessly campaigned for GW - Connie)
> >
> > Now Connie, don't lie. This was the candidate i tirelessly campaigned
> > for:
> >
> >
> http://psychedelictourist.blogspot.com/2005/01/vote-for-wet-paint-is-vote-fo
> r.html
> >
> > namaste;
> > bodhi
> >

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