Re: the world is upside down


GraayWolf wrote:
> -ammitusen-@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > apparently That Guy has only reads the parts of my post that allow him
> > to jump up on a moral pedastal and look down from on high on someone
> > who may have a more redical point of view. i have suggested that the
> > prison system certainly needs reform and tho That Guy may be talking
> > about "penalties" ... i am not. punshiment and the threat thereof
> > obviously has not stopped crime. imprisonment, in fact, not meant to
> > stop crime but only to punish and warehouse those who commit crimes for
> > some period of time. after that period of time the criminal is set
> > free, meaner and more adept at crime than he/she was before they went
> > in. i suggest that criminality is a symptom of a deeper problem within
> > the individual and within society. i suggest that crime be looked upon
> > as a symptom and the individual be helped to discover and heal that
> > deeper problem that causes the criminal behavior. prisons, IMO, should
> > be replaced with psychiatric care faculties and inmates be given a
> > chance at a real life instead of just punished. pyschiatric treatment,
> > appropriate meds, education and after release housing, job placement
> > and psychiatric follow up and counciling. the prisons system houses
> > large numbers of people who should be in mental institutions as it is
> > and these people get no treatment and no therapy. their
> > mental/emotional problems are made worse by their confinement in the
> > hostile prison environment and their proclivity for violence escalates
> > with every punishment. perhaps with an eye looking more towards rehab
> > then towards punishment the revolving door wouldnt spin so fast. but
> > That Guy hasnt bothered to read these particulars of my posts or if he
> > does he accuses me of sarcasm and of lieing. appparently That Guy
> > thinks the way the privatized prison industry keeps that revolving door
> > spinning with the same inmates incarerated again and again is a good
> > idea. well... the prison contruction bizness is booming and bail
> > bondsmen and lawyers are having a field day but more funding is spent
> > on prisons than on schools and thats a sad commentary for any country.
> > and apparently That Guy thinks its okay that the prison industry sets
> > dangerous sexual predators loose into our neighborhoods every day, sick
> > baby rapers free to roam around doing horrendous damage as they please
> > to the innocent until they get caught AGAIN. these insane people are
> > set free because their punishment is done, their time is served but
> > nothing is done to change what they are. do you understand WHAT they
> > are?! but i suppose i must be morally corrupt because i think its
> > stupid, dangerous and cruel to keep the violently insane alive, that i
> > think those monsters that rape, torture, mutilate and revele in blood
> > and killing should be euthanized as any rabid dog would be. i'm the
> > one guilty of murderous intent because i think the funds spent on
> > building and maintaining expensive maximum security prisons to
> > warehouse people who will never again see the light of day or
> > contribute in anyway to society would be better spent on healing the
> > curable. okay, i'm a bad person ... a very bad person ... evil evil me
> > ... none the less ... if i ever caught some pervert trying stick it to
> > a child i'd blow his poor insane brains out. and then i'd cry ...
> > just like i cry when i have to dispatch some water moc thats found a
> > sunning spot on my front doorstep. i dont hate the water moc. i dont
> > want to kill the water moc. but the water moc is very dangerous,
> > aggressive and deadly poisonous to me and mine and ya gotta do what ya
> > gotta do.
> >
> > anyway That Guy ... have a good time up there in your ivory tower of
> > ultimate truth and supreme morality. how funny tho, that you defend
> > the rights of torturing murderers and sympathize with baby rapers but
> > condemn me as a murderer without a trial, without even considering the
> > bulk of my evidense. i guess a single and simple minded version of
> > what you think i mean by what i say is enough to convict.
>
> I did two years in Menard in Illinois and haven't been back. I made a
> choice when I got out to basically get my *** together. an ex con
> makes a choice to keep doing stupid *** or to do something different.
> Most of the folks I did time with were talking about how they could
> better get away with stupid *** when they got out because they didn't
> want to work. In prison it's the petty thieives you can't trust. Your
> basic murderer (Passion killings-spouse who cheated, or a revenge
> killer) is usually allot more trustworthy as they have gotten it out of
> their system and probably won't repeat the dastardly deed when and if
> they get out. There is no honor among theives. burgalers, armed
> robbers, pick pockets, tend to repeat their deeds when they hit the
> streets again. Now sex affenders tend to keep doing their thing and a
> maximum secutrtiy mental facility sounds like a good idea but there
> needs to be criteria for letting them out after rehabilitation, mainly
> assuring the safty of folks on the outside.
>
> Greed is probably the biggest factor with those who repeat their
> offences over and over again, as the lure of big money is what
> motivates to continue their lifestyle.
>
> I guess the fact that things really never ment that much to me was a
> facter which keep me out of trouble after I got out. I am the type that
> if I have my needs I am pretty much satisfied. If I get a few axtras
> thats ok but I don't sweat it if I don't. All of my furniture is basic
> mixed mached used, and most of my stuff is generic, and that is how I
> lived when I made better money. I never really was into things that
> much. I do have some nick nacks but they are all 99 cent store stuff or
> used (accept for the OZZY bobblehead doll that says "I'm the BEEP-ing
> prince of darkness, I hate BEEP-ing bubbles"). I do have an extencive
> music collection that ranges from Joplin and the Dead all the way up to
> Metallica and Iron Maiden, and some rare stuff that can't be bought.
> but besides that and my computer, my place is pretty generic. I've been
> just as happy when all I had was a scratchy radio and a good book to
> read (10 cents at St. Vincent Depaul).
>
> <BIG SIGH>
>
> GraayWolf


i agree that there must be those sitting on death row that do not
belong there even if guilty of murder as the act was a 1 time deal, an
act of passion, despair or desparation never to be repeated. death row
isnt appropriate for such people IMO. its the true monsters that are
compelled by severe mental illness and relish the horrific deeds they
do that i consider beyond hope of cure.
as for the greed driven thieves among which there is no honor. well
.... i theorize that greed is symptom of basic insecurity and the need
to gather as much money and crap around ones self as possible is a
perversion of the hording instinct. i theorize that even greed driven
theft is a mental/emotional problem that maybe should be dealt with
with something other than simple punishment. punishment only works on
those folks who are impressed by it. criminals who are raised as
children in violent environments arent impressed by imprisonment
punishments as they've already experienced worse in their lives despite
their original innocence so prison is just an extention of normal home
life. the first failure of the "justice" system is in juvy for it is
then that a kid's life could be turned around with some care and
kindness. instead the already traumatized child is punished for
reacting negatively to his/her negative childhood experiences, an
enviroment were crime and violence is a normal way of life. how stupid
it is to expect a child to behave differently than what their
environment has taught them is normal. instead of punishment these
poor kids should given a chance at a real life. their traumas and
misconceptions about life should addressed and their self esteem given
a chance to develope. such an approach might save a lot of lives,
money and cell space in the future but its a whole lot easier to blame
and punish the offender than it is to address the root reason why their
criminality exists at all.

Graay? kudos to you for having the strength, intelligence and self
honesty to turn your life around. a humble home that one has actually
earned is far better than a gold filled mansion that one has stolen.

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