Re: the world is upside down


-ammitusen-@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> GraayWolf wrote:
> > -ammitusen-@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > apparently That Guy has only reads the parts of my post that allow him
> > > to jump up on a moral pedastal and look down from on high on someone
> > > who may have a more redical point of view. i have suggested that the
> > > prison system certainly needs reform and tho That Guy may be talking
> > > about "penalties" ... i am not. punshiment and the threat thereof
> > > obviously has not stopped crime. imprisonment, in fact, not meant to
> > > stop crime but only to punish and warehouse those who commit crimes for
> > > some period of time. after that period of time the criminal is set
> > > free, meaner and more adept at crime than he/she was before they went
> > > in. i suggest that criminality is a symptom of a deeper problem within
> > > the individual and within society. i suggest that crime be looked upon
> > > as a symptom and the individual be helped to discover and heal that
> > > deeper problem that causes the criminal behavior. prisons, IMO, should
> > > be replaced with psychiatric care faculties and inmates be given a
> > > chance at a real life instead of just punished. pyschiatric treatment,
> > > appropriate meds, education and after release housing, job placement
> > > and psychiatric follow up and counciling. the prisons system houses
> > > large numbers of people who should be in mental institutions as it is
> > > and these people get no treatment and no therapy. their
> > > mental/emotional problems are made worse by their confinement in the
> > > hostile prison environment and their proclivity for violence escalates
> > > with every punishment. perhaps with an eye looking more towards rehab
> > > then towards punishment the revolving door wouldnt spin so fast. but
> > > That Guy hasnt bothered to read these particulars of my posts or if he
> > > does he accuses me of sarcasm and of lieing. appparently That Guy
> > > thinks the way the privatized prison industry keeps that revolving door
> > > spinning with the same inmates incarerated again and again is a good
> > > idea. well... the prison contruction bizness is booming and bail
> > > bondsmen and lawyers are having a field day but more funding is spent
> > > on prisons than on schools and thats a sad commentary for any country.
> > > and apparently That Guy thinks its okay that the prison industry sets
> > > dangerous sexual predators loose into our neighborhoods every day, sick
> > > baby rapers free to roam around doing horrendous damage as they please
> > > to the innocent until they get caught AGAIN. these insane people are
> > > set free because their punishment is done, their time is served but
> > > nothing is done to change what they are. do you understand WHAT they
> > > are?! but i suppose i must be morally corrupt because i think its
> > > stupid, dangerous and cruel to keep the violently insane alive, that i
> > > think those monsters that rape, torture, mutilate and revele in blood
> > > and killing should be euthanized as any rabid dog would be. i'm the
> > > one guilty of murderous intent because i think the funds spent on
> > > building and maintaining expensive maximum security prisons to
> > > warehouse people who will never again see the light of day or
> > > contribute in anyway to society would be better spent on healing the
> > > curable. okay, i'm a bad person ... a very bad person ... evil evil me
> > > ... none the less ... if i ever caught some pervert trying stick it to
> > > a child i'd blow his poor insane brains out. and then i'd cry ...
> > > just like i cry when i have to dispatch some water moc thats found a
> > > sunning spot on my front doorstep. i dont hate the water moc. i dont
> > > want to kill the water moc. but the water moc is very dangerous,
> > > aggressive and deadly poisonous to me and mine and ya gotta do what ya
> > > gotta do.
> > >
> > > anyway That Guy ... have a good time up there in your ivory tower of
> > > ultimate truth and supreme morality. how funny tho, that you defend
> > > the rights of torturing murderers and sympathize with baby rapers but
> > > condemn me as a murderer without a trial, without even considering the
> > > bulk of my evidense. i guess a single and simple minded version of
> > > what you think i mean by what i say is enough to convict.
> >
> > I did two years in Menard in Illinois and haven't been back. I made a
> > choice when I got out to basically get my *** together. an ex con
> > makes a choice to keep doing stupid *** or to do something different.
> > Most of the folks I did time with were talking about how they could
> > better get away with stupid *** when they got out because they didn't
> > want to work. In prison it's the petty thieives you can't trust. Your
> > basic murderer (Passion killings-spouse who cheated, or a revenge
> > killer) is usually allot more trustworthy as they have gotten it out of
> > their system and probably won't repeat the dastardly deed when and if
> > they get out. There is no honor among theives. burgalers, armed
> > robbers, pick pockets, tend to repeat their deeds when they hit the
> > streets again. Now sex affenders tend to keep doing their thing and a
> > maximum secutrtiy mental facility sounds like a good idea but there
> > needs to be criteria for letting them out after rehabilitation, mainly
> > assuring the safty of folks on the outside.
> >
> > Greed is probably the biggest factor with those who repeat their
> > offences over and over again, as the lure of big money is what
> > motivates to continue their lifestyle.
> >
> > I guess the fact that things really never ment that much to me was a
> > facter which keep me out of trouble after I got out. I am the type that
> > if I have my needs I am pretty much satisfied. If I get a few axtras
> > thats ok but I don't sweat it if I don't. All of my furniture is basic
> > mixed mached used, and most of my stuff is generic, and that is how I
> > lived when I made better money. I never really was into things that
> > much. I do have some nick nacks but they are all 99 cent store stuff or
> > used (accept for the OZZY bobblehead doll that says "I'm the BEEP-ing
> > prince of darkness, I hate BEEP-ing bubbles"). I do have an extencive
> > music collection that ranges from Joplin and the Dead all the way up to
> > Metallica and Iron Maiden, and some rare stuff that can't be bought.
> > but besides that and my computer, my place is pretty generic. I've been
> > just as happy when all I had was a scratchy radio and a good book to
> > read (10 cents at St. Vincent Depaul).
> >
> > <BIG SIGH>
> >
> > GraayWolf
>
>
> i agree that there must be those sitting on death row that do not
> belong there even if guilty of murder as the act was a 1 time deal, an
> act of passion, despair or desparation never to be repeated. death row
> isnt appropriate for such people IMO. its the true monsters that are
> compelled by severe mental illness and relish the horrific deeds they
> do that i consider beyond hope of cure.
> as for the greed driven thieves among which there is no honor. well
> ... i theorize that greed is symptom of basic insecurity and the need
> to gather as much money and crap around ones self as possible is a
> perversion of the hording instinct. i theorize that even greed driven
> theft is a mental/emotional problem that maybe should be dealt with
> with something other than simple punishment. punishment only works on
> those folks who are impressed by it. criminals who are raised as
> children in violent environments arent impressed by imprisonment
> punishments as they've already experienced worse in their lives despite
> their original innocence so prison is just an extention of normal home
> life. the first failure of the "justice" system is in juvy for it is
> then that a kid's life could be turned around with some care and
> kindness. instead the already traumatized child is punished for
> reacting negatively to his/her negative childhood experiences, an
> enviroment were crime and violence is a normal way of life. how stupid
> it is to expect a child to behave differently than what their
> environment has taught them is normal. instead of punishment these
> poor kids should given a chance at a real life. their traumas and
> misconceptions about life should addressed and their self esteem given
> a chance to develope. such an approach might save a lot of lives,
> money and cell space in the future but its a whole lot easier to blame
> and punish the offender than it is to address the root reason why their
> criminality exists at all.
>
> Graay? kudos to you for having the strength, intelligence and self
> honesty to turn your life around. a humble home that one has actually
> earned is far better than a gold filled mansion that one has stolen.

Child protective services (AZ) and in allot of cases the parents are to
blame at an early stage, but I feel a teenager although not an abult
still knows right from wrong. Like I've said before, to blame an action
that I commit on something from my past (And my childhood wasn't
pretty) is to say that I am not responsible for my actions. I don't buy
that psyco-babble. I did something wrong and I deserved what I got, I
knew the consiquences for my actions,

I choose not to let past situations govern my life.

GraayWolf

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