Re: Auction House change?

RogerM ytrede sig i <46FBD459.13FF02F7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> med dette:

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Brian C ytrede sig i <oM6dnfvq_5yHCmfbnZ2dnUVZ_sejnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx> med
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You are not thinking the possible situations through.


I agree with Roger. There has been more than one occasion when I wanted to
bid on an item that was important to me and needed to pick up auction money
to afford it. Waiting another X hours could have lost the item for me.
There's little point in putting up a "short" auction when you have to wait
to get the money.

It's all well and good that Blizzard wants to limit on-line gold buying, but
when it has ramifications (even only annoying ones) for the majority of
people who don't partake in such activities, then they will resist it.

I've been playing WOW since the beta test, and as such have seen gold
farming activities rise and fall as Blizzard installs more aggressive
countermeasures and the farming companies find workarounds. Never in this
time period has the "horrible" economic consequences of farming had
substantial impact on my ability to play the game or buy things I needed.

I have actually tried being unable to complete quests because of bots
farming the quest mobs for other drops.


Have you been unable to complete quests due to other players doing them?
Other player farming mobs for their own gold?

Sure, but if they belong to the same faction, they usually agree on
grouping to help me get the quest done faster.

The Tar elementals in Ungoro was once heavily farmed, and there is the
Gadgetzan quest where you need to kill them. For several weeks I could
only kill a few mobs per hour, no matter what time a day/night I tried,
so I eventually gave up doing the quest.

Worst thing were, nothing happened when reporting the bots.

Many people are so up in arms about gold farming, like it's ruining their
lives, and it's always been a little amusing to me. Why is it such a big
deal? I personally don't give a rat's behind about what other people do to
get money in the game, and claims that it's destroying the economy are
greatly exxagerated. Recent, noninvasive measures have already curtailed
gold selling quite a bit; Blizzard should stop there before their quest to
rid of universe of every gold farmer also makes the game less fun to play.

At some servers the influence might be miniscule, while it can have a
major impact on others, it is really impossible to know.

It doesn't surprice me the least, that you don't understand the feelings
of the other people, it's quite commen for people not to understand the
mindset for someone who has a very different set of values. I have the
same problem when it's religious issues, but I'll try to explain anyway.

A lot of people look at it like cheating. They accept cheeting in
singleplayer games, because the action doesn't have any impact to
others. In a game like WoW you can only progress by getting better
items, when you reach the max level limit, thus having the better items
is a form of status, that indicates how much you have progressed. When
other people are cheating by buying money or items, they lower the value
of your effort to gain these items, because they become more common.


Zzzz. I don't compare my gear with that of other people. The only thing
that passes for a goal in the game is beating progressively tougher
dungeons.

Well it not about whe YOU do, it's about what other people do. I don't
either care that much about gear myself. To me better gear is just a way
to make it easier to play, and be able to manage harder tasks, very
similar to you I would say. But I try to understand and explain the way
the feelings I know quite a few other players have.

A lot of non-raiding players like others to respect their effort for
optaining the best craftable items, but they just don't recieve the same
respect when it's something a lot of people have optained. Buying money

Respect? Earn respect by being a skilled and courteous player. Having
Uber Loot might just mean you have a ton of spare time (or cash).

Again it's a question of different values, I can't say I personaly
disagree with you, but there are still a lot of others that doesn't have
this perception.

can help you optain this in a few weeks, because most of the items we
need to get the BoP crafing recepies can be purchased at the AH, so you
only need to do a few instance runs if you have enough gold.

Then there are the direct impact on PvP. By being able to buy better
item from gold purchase, you can suddenly beat other players of equal
skill, thus making it harder for them to optain better items.

In other words, buying gold might lessen the game plessure of other
players.


But then, so does people playing several hours a day when others only
have time for a few hours a week. Shall we limit how long each week a
person can play?

People don't have equal situations. Some have lots of free time, some
have lots of spare cash. I couldn't afford to buy gold even if I agreed
with doing it. Others doing it doesn't affect me negatively, while this
hour delay on AH transactions does (occasionally).

People tend to accept that some have a lot of spare time for playing,
and doesn't really care that much about not being able to compete with
them.

I have a real story about a gold purchace by a friend, that had a
negative impact on another friend of mine. Both players were applying
for membership of a raiding guild, and were told their equipment were
too bad, and what they needed to upgrade. They both started working on
getting the upgrades, but one of them cheated by buying gold and bought
the stuff on AH, a week later he was accepted in the guild. My other
friend were rejected because they had only one slot open for that class.


It is likely that one friend could devote more time to playing the game.
Wouldn't THAT be cheating too? Maybe one friend had lots of online
buddies who gave him gold to buy gear. Isn't THAT cheating?

The friend that did buy money had a lot of time to play, he actually did
play for over 24 hour straight sometimes in the middle of the week,
since he's disabled and on a pension, he doesn't have to work.

For the latter I would say it's a question about being good at
socialicing and it's a part of the game, it really have nothing to do
with cheating.

The friend that purchased gold, have always had a problem with saving up
for something. As soon as he saw a slightly better item at AH, he
started begging for loans, and at a point he had to spend a whole week
doing nothing but grind during his full playtime, to be able to pay all
of us back at the time he had promised. The other friend of mine didn't
have this problem, and were actually rather close at being able to buy
the needed items, and would have optained them in a couple of weeks.

The thing that pissed me off the most about this incident, was the fact
that my cheating friend started bragging about all the nice tier1-2 item
he now had, and started calling my gear for n00b items (two month
earlier his equipment was worse than mine).

Well, that is a symptom of the style that you apparently endorse -
better gear means better player. You chose the lifestyle. It's not fair
to complain when you end up on the losing end of it.

I don't endorse it, I try to explain another paradigm to you, and
aparantly I'm either not good at doing so, or you are just not willing
to open your mind and try understanding other perceptions of the game
than your own.

I never felt I was on the "losing end", i just got tired of listening to
him trying to act as if he was a better gamer than I, when I knew he
wasn't and had cheated to gain the items he could brag about. Since he
was a RL friend too, I knew he was using the game to compensate for
feeling inadequate about a lot of RL stuff (nothing to do with his
disability, that is a problem at holding his ballance due to loosing the
large legmuscle after a cancer operation), so most of the time I just
let him babble without really listening.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
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