Re: Gold Selling / Buying Your view

In article <YIu_f.2089$Fy2.1442@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Marshall" <Marshall@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor.wilson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e1drbl$og7$1$8300dec7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Just curious guys, recently ive noticed theres a lot of companies selling
game gold for real cash. Personally i could afford it, but the fun for me
is
building up myself.
And buying gold would spoil my experience

What do you guys think of gold sellers / buyers?.

They suck. They ignore Blizzard's EULA and commit criminally illegal acts
by selling ingame gold for real money. There is no argument whatsoever
about whether it is wrong- it is, period.

I don't think it's technically illegal - it's a violation of the EULA,
not any laws.

In other words, nobody is going to jail for selling gold in a video
game, at least until laws are written to cover it - and I would demand a
revolution to kick out the useless politicians who make it illegal. :)


And do you think they are a good or bad thing for wow?

Bad thing. The only ones who benefit are those who wish to also commit
illegal acts by buying gold or paying to have chars 'power leveled', and
those who illegally sell it to them. There is no excuse for either of these
behaviors- they are patently illegal and all who engage in any of these
acts should be booted from WoW permanently. You buy the game, you
agree to the contract and *all* of its terms, and you should rightly suffer
the consequences if you deliberately break the terms of the contract.

I know people who buy gold. One is a main tank for a raiding guild, who
had his playing schedule cut very short by his job, so he buys gold to
cover the farming for repair money. This, I can live with, he's not
using the money to twink toons or buy gear he'd have to work for, he's
just paying for repairs and pots.

I know another couple, who buy a LOT of gold. They give each other very
pricey gifts in-game (epic mounts, the best of the best from the AH),
and spread thsi generousity to their friends. They are casual players,
don't take it very seriously, and have no shame about buying gold. They
know it's against the rules of the game, but they said if they get
caught, they have plenty of other games to play online. Them, I have a
problem with. Mention anything around them, that can be bought, you get
in your in-box. They are removing incentive from other players, and
using their generosity to be popular. They're casual about it all, don't
care...and as someone who plays the game to PLAY it, they annoy me.

I recently checked gold prices, and it's now $60 for 1200 gold on my
server. I can see how that's incredibly tempting, especially as I'm
broke in-game again this week...but i don't do it. I don't support that
lazy, fat Americans have engendered an entire industry oversees that
does their work for them. I don't feel "sorry" for gold farmers, as most
of them are teenagers who'd be playing anyway (And the whole "sweatshop"
thing is a sham), but I don't like their presence in the game.

I'm more ashamed at my culture, which cheats at the drop of a hat, and
the majority of people would rather "power level" and buy gold and
accounts instead of earning it by *gasp* playing the game.

Gold selling and buying won't go away...but I've drawn the line in the
sand, for me. I won't participate in it, and I'll probably judge those
who do a little bit.

Having said that, it's all subjective, and it's a video game. I try not
to take it that seriously anymore. I just don't like what it says about
us as a culture.


The world if full of those who would love to muddy the waters and try to
make this issue into a 'gray area' with an endless list of "but, but, but..."
limp excuses, but the fact remains it is illegal and should be punished.
End of story. You want to cheat, go play single player games.

I take exception at "illegal". They're not actually breaking any laws.
It's a violation of a EULA, which may or may not be breakable in a
court. I've read that the MMORP makers are hesitant to bring the issue
to court, because if it's ruled that the in-game gold and/or items
actually have a worth to the players, and/or any form of ownership, the
publishers lose a HUGE amount of control over their own game and
content...and most would probably shut down the game if they lost such a
lawsuit, or the laws were changed or written to define who actually wons
what.

Blizzard claims they own everything in-game, and as long as nothing
leaves the game (copyright infringement), all they will do is ban
accounts for breaking a boilerplate CYA end user agreement. Any threat
to their ownership in the courts or legislature is too risky to them,
thus no lawsuits, or attempts to shut down the farmer studios in Asia.

IMHO, of course. They could turn around tomorrow and sue IGE. I doubt
they will, tho.


Do they impact the economy much ?.

That's really hard to quantify, since this kind of cheating has been en-
demic for almost as long as the game has existed. Would be nice to
completely get rid of all the gold sellers and buyers, so we could see
just what the game economy would be like without it. Couldn't help
but be a good thing.
-Marshall

They absolutely effect the economy, as they regularly undercut players
who gain items legitimately, chase players out of areas they concentrate
on, and have exploited various parts of the game so badly, items and
quests were removed for legitimate players (chests in Mauradon, the Egg
quests in Tanaris, and I'm expecting a HUGE nerf to Dire Maul any
Tuseday now, to kill the exploitation happening in there with Farmers
and the teleport exploit.) They also annoy us all with in-game spam, AH
trickery, and in general clog up the server, which is irksome with the
current state of affairs on many servers.

From a developers point of view, they throw the game balance out of
whack - for instance, Furor's compendium was supposed to be a rare drop,
worth a lot, and lusted after. Now, it's common, cheap, and people are
less than impressed that anyone has it. That's gotta kill the guy who
designed it (or gal, but I have yet to see proof of female WOW
developers).
.

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