Re: Dupe
- From: "Grogmeister" <abc@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:14:33 GMT
If they do roll it back, I'd love to see the faces of the people that spent
good money for illegitimate gains. Some might even have the nerve to try to
get refunds. Maybe that will get the buyers to think twice about the whole
scheme.
"Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Optional" <john_barry74@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> can some one post text.
>> websense blocks the forums.
>>
>
> Heres some posts....
>
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>
> .. from someone following this for a few days now. I've been telling
> everyone on my server about the lvl 30s zoning in and out of Maraudon that
> never log out. About how it's most likely that they are duplicating items.
> Interesting facts:
>
>> On very many, possibly all servers, level 30 chars, and lvl 60 chars,
>> have been zoning in and out of Maraudon orange non-stop for days.
>> Clearly, they are up to no good. They do not respond, are ungrouped, and
>> if they are guilded it is in a guild with shady reputations.
>
>> Maraudon is bugged right now. That makes it a nice target.
>
>> There seems to be a dupe involving the rollback that occurs when you
>> attempt to zone into an instance after a crash of the world server.
>
>> Maraudon crashes a lot, and on our server, everything else has been
>> crashing a lot too. Molten Core has crashed 8/9 nights. This started
>> before the patch. All instances are crashing quite a bit, with weird
>> things happening, like people getting ported out, ppl landing in
>> instances with no mobs, ppl seeing duplicate mobs such as onyxia and
>> lucifron.
>
>> Crazy reports from servers. These include 10 Krol blades in auction house
>> from same seller. People literally giving away gold, a likely measure to
>> smear the trail and make the dirty gold impossible to trace / remove.
>> Someone buying up EVERY ITEM IN AUCTION HOUSE WITH A BUYOUT and relisting
>> at huge prices.
>
>> From one I've been able to dig up, it's working for gold and items. The
>> person with 10 krol blades up at once either doesn't care and just thinks
>> it's funny, or is dumb. The vast majority of these chars are probably
>> just creating ABSURD amounts of gold.
>
>> This has been going on non-stop, unchecked, for quite awhile, I believe
>> before patch 1.6. But, the cat is fully out of the bag now.
>
>> The amount of gold/items that has been duped by now is likely astounding.
>
>> Blizz has been totally silent here. We are all just waiting now.
>> Something has to be done.
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>
> This is a bad day for Blizzard and the WoW community.
>
> Blizzard has limited options. They can:
>
> 1. Take the sledgehammer approach and roll back affected servers to some
> time before the exploit. This will make a lot of people very angry. Most
> of these people are innocent. This is a last resort strategy because no
> company likes to annoy so many customers.
>
> 2. Blizzard can track down duped gold/items and delete them. This is
> impossible to do in the normal 6 hour maintenance window. There are many
> ways to launder gold in WoW. Every time something is traded, the web grows
> more complex. The fraud is hidden that much further back. They would have
> to put a stop to all new transactions, shutting down servers possibly for
> several days while they identify "unusual" transactions, and follow the
> trail of the gold as it changed hands millions of times. This would also
> annoy many innocent people.
>
> 3. They could hit the biggest targets. This means identifying people who
> have had massive influxes of gold in a short time, or received the same
> identical blue/purple item more than twice in a week. Then they would
> suspend those accounts and bring back the servers online. They can then
> investigate the banned accounts more thoroughly. This would in effect stop
> the dupers but ignore the dupes already in the economy. This is the
> likeliest scenario, since Blizzard probably already have the tools in
> place to identify people who receive large amounts of gold or multiple
> identical epics/blues. If they set the limits sufficiently high (say 5,000
> gold received in a week) they will likely filter out ONLY the dupers, and
> no one will complain when the accounts are banned. Perhaps a high limit
> will allow some of the small scale dupers to go free, but better to do
> that than to hurt innocent people.
>
> Of course, none of these solutions will work unless they SIMULTANEOUSLY
> PLUG THE HOLES IN THE GAME WHICH ALLOW THIS EXPLOIT. Having played D2 for
> years, I am not optimistic about Blizzard's ability to act quickly.
>
> I hope Blizzard acts quickly and thoughtfully in this matter, because
> nothing ruins a game faster than dupes.
>
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>
> Yes, it's pretty definite.
>
> Blizzard has known about it for several days. Within the past couple of
> days Blizzard has already banned many accounts suspected of being involved
> in duping and selling gold. I don't know what they've done about the duped
> ITEMS, as opposed to gold. Luckily, my server (Burning Blade) is one of
> the less-affected servers. At least, I haven't seen 10 Krol Blades on the
> AH at the same time from the same seller as some other people have
> reported seeing on their servers.
>
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>
> This is getting out of hand. Servers are wracked with instance glitches
> the likes of which nobody has ever seen before - and it cannot be blamed
> on 1.6 anymore. This is more than a simple glitch in the patch.
>
> What is happening has become obvious to practically everyone on my
> server - and with the merest of exploration into other realm servers, the
> problem becomes clear - and clearly an epidemic.
>
> When known gold farmers and gold farming guilds send all their script-bots
> to instances like Mauradon and Uldaman and have them enter and exit, enter
> and exit, enter and exit for twenty-four hours a day, when the Auction
> Houses become suddenly flooded with duplicate items
> (http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/6536/duppe1qa.gif) all of whole being
> sold by the same person or team of persons AT THE SAME TIME that bizarre
> and heretofore unimaginable instance bugs:
>
>
> a.. Instances inexplicably crashing and resetting with duplicate mobs
>
> a.. Players randomly transported to farmed instances entrances or told by
> the system that they are in an instance they are not
>
> a.. Mobs dozens of levels too high for the instance inexplicably spawning
> inside the instance
>
> (Et Cetera)
>
> It becomes impossible to ignore that the recent problems on ALL of our
> servers may well be a side effect of an item duplication exploit.
>
> If the Farmers themselves are resistant to banning, by popping back up
> with a new name and a new card, fine.
> If the IPs these sweatshop workers hail from are resistant to being
> blocked due to IP spoofs and other hacks, fine.
>
> It is fine enough to point fingers at the now-legendary 'Chinese Gold
> Farmers' but the simple fact of the matter is that these farmers would NOT
> exist on ANY of our servers if there did not exist a market for
> second-hand gold.
>
> The fault is not the Farmers, ladies and gentlemen, the fault is in the
> Buyer.
>
> The people who have been blithely flaunting the rules and refusing to work
> within the system by purchasing sencond-hand cash farmed by sweatshop
> employees making slave wages are to blame for this current spate of
> game-breaking instance server glitches.
>
> The time has come, if Blizzard is unable to combat the companies that farm
> these items and this gold, to clearly state "Enough is enough", put our
> foot down and stop turning a blind eye to the practices of these people
> who are supporting the companies that are ruining our game.
>
> I urge the members of this community to each open a GM ticket stating that
> you support an aggressive banning campaign for the buyers of second-hand
> gold.
>
> Thank you.
>
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> etc etc etc....
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